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Janny Wurts Chat Area: Arc 3: Alliance of Light: Fugitive Prince, Grand Conspiracy; Peril's Gate & Traitor's Knot: Traitors Knot Discussions: Spoiler Topics: Help!! Excerpt needed: Archive through August 28, 2005
   By Janny Wurts on Thursday, August 25, 2005 - 03:59 pm: Edit Post

Hey guys -

I am in the process of creating a promotional flyer for Traitor's Knot, and another, for Wars of Light and Shadow series.

Here's the deal: if I were to choose about ONE PAGE of story excerpt, (two excerpts, one to represent the whole series, and another to represent Traitor's Knot) what would you choose that might capture new readers or re-interest an old reader who might be mulling, yea or nay?

These excerpts will go on the back of the flyers, the front of which will have summary info and art...whaddya think?

I can NOT see the forest for the trees, on this one!

   By Sandtiger on Thursday, August 25, 2005 - 08:27 pm: Edit Post

I think a flyer is a great idea...they are inexpensive, draw attention and are easily distributed.

And between your brilliant artwork and snippets, a flyer would really attract notice.

Sandtiger ::Thinking this might be a good time to go reread her favourite parts::

   By Hannah on Thursday, August 25, 2005 - 10:04 pm: Edit Post

Hmm.. it's tough to pick an excerpt that would squeeze into one page.

For the whole series, I would suggest maybe something from the end of GC, when Arithon is kicking butt and taking names whilst rescuing Fionn Areth from Jaelot. Just some short bit of fast action and smooth words--I love that part of the series! There's a lot of scenes I would suggest, but that don't contain a main character.

For TK itself... that's more difficult. I would say part of the **SPOILERS OF COURSE** bit where Arithon meets up with Erlien's clan scouts prior to the crystal/crimson silk raid. That part was great, and I think can be read on its own merits. (A lot of the excerpts from TK would be plot spoilers for the rest of the book, now that I think on it, which should probably try to be avoided I guess...)

Let us know what you decide Janny!


   By Konran on Friday, August 26, 2005 - 12:16 am: Edit Post

I shall have to go back through my books (again)... but for now, I would suggest either doing contrasting excerpts (one of Arithon and one of Lysaer) or one from the very first book, before they are cursed (the shadows of Mearth? fighting the Mistwraith?) and then something showing the curse in action. More specific suggestions when I manage to glance through the books.

   By Nora on Friday, August 26, 2005 - 06:31 am: Edit Post

I would pick one of the Lysaer bits, because Arithon always gets the primo position on the cover. It'd be nice to showcase the other perspective, and for long-time readers--I can say that the Lysaer bits in TK made me go back and re-read his earlier sections with more interest and understanding. But alas, maybe too spoily.

   By Andy on Friday, August 26, 2005 - 07:18 am: Edit Post

TK: Sulfin Evend's meeting with Enithen Tuer in Erdane.

Series: how about Arithon's visit to Halliron's widow. For that matter, any of Arithon's masterbard moments (Jaelot, Merior, Tysan, Mathorns etc.)

   By Auna on Friday, August 26, 2005 - 01:40 pm: Edit Post

I second the Sulfin Evend meeting with Enithen Tuer scene. That gave me chills reading it and definitely made me want to read more. You could also go with the ending where Arithon is being sacrificed, though that might be too revealing.

Overall series... that will be a lot tougher. I really love the scenes with Elaira interacting with any of the F7, and of course the healing of the young fisherman with Arithon. I think Traithe meeting her on the beach is a great snippet. I'll have to think more about this one.

   By Janny Wurts on Saturday, August 27, 2005 - 12:10 pm: Edit Post

Thanks, and truly, for all your well thought suggestions - I am still stewing this through - I'll let you know. Still not decided, but have some better direction.

   By Beth Caudill on Saturday, August 27, 2005 - 08:48 pm: Edit Post

I haven't found a copy of TK yet to read. As of two weeks ago (last time I was in the bookstores) BN & Borders didn't have the books yet. So I can't give an opinion on that.

For the Main Series I have a couple of suggestions:

I would suggest where Asandir opens Arithon's awareness to the Paravians, when Arithon makes the shadow ships and then the curse strikes the princes, the healing of the fisherman at Merior, when Arithon and Dakar try to save the shepard girl, Halliron's and Arithon's songs at Jaelot, and finally maybe something from Kewar (too many good reminiscences in this part to pick just one).


   By Sandtiger on Sunday, August 28, 2005 - 12:06 am: Edit Post

My thoughts, for the main snippet it would best come from either Curse, or perhaps Ships...something early on that resonates to the entire series - that gives a prelude to what comes later. It needs to be bigger, more illustrative, to give those reading it for the first time the sense that the series is wide ranging and impactful.

Going through the first two books, I found a few scenes that I thought stood out - for differing reasons. Some might be a bit spoilery, but in my mind nothing too badly when you consider the wide ranging impact. Something without the slightest spoiler wouldn't necessarily have enough resonance to represent the entire series to date.

Here were my thoughts - with rationale - in order of appearance: (All page numbers from the American Hardcover Editions)

1. Page 179-180 COTM, from, "Dakar already told me" to "What will become of my clansman..."
Rationale: A hint at the conflict to come, that really is one of the driving forces behind the series...offers a hint of knowledge of the two brothers, the Fellowship, the Mistwraith, the clans, and at the scope of disaster that could come. Dangling bits are always good in snippets, so the sharp lack of resolution in the last line might be good. The only problem with this one is that Arithon and Lysaer aren't directly involved in the scene - just alluded to.

2. Page 237 COTM, from "Dakar lost the thread of concentration" to "The Choice is a foregone conclusion"
Rationale: The Black Rose Prophecy - it lines the books - it's the bigger picture. Hints at Davien, the struggle happening above the brothers, Arithon's trials - the biggest problem with this snip though is that there is no mention of Lysaer.

3. Page 411-412 COTM, from "You shall have what you ask for" to "And finding him should be simple."
Rationale: This is one of my favourite options - it's a great Lysaer scene - and it really shows the first steps being played out, and gives hints of a number of other major storylines...Arithon's bardly talents, the fact they are half-brothers, Desh-thiere's curse, that Arithon was destined for Rathain, that Lysaer thinks he's doing the right thing - righting has the presence of the fellowship, of Dakar. It's pretty much brilliant - not to mention both the first and last lines are just plain fantastic.

4. SOM - Page 876-877, From: "Lysaer settled into his dark velvet camp chair" to "Lysaer, Prince of the Light"
Rationale: This one isn't quite as action oriented, but it does show a turning point and still harkens to the some of the overarching themes - it shows the moment Lysaer really goes beyond normal fighting to creating himself into an image...shows the animosity with Arithon, the fact that he wants the land to rise against him. There's hints of Davien, the brother's opposing powers, the s'Brydions, Lysaer's own legacy and a hint that it's been twisted.

In terms of Traitor's Knot - the scenes that stuck out in my mind were:




1. Page 68-69, TK, from, "Your Weapon?" to "Would you try?"
Rationale: This is just a great bit of verbal sparring, not to mention it makes you want to know more - it doesn't really give away too much, since we already knew Arithon was holed up with Davien. There's definitely a hint of ominous foreboding, of choices, of possibilities - of interesting bits to ponder, which makes for a desire to read more NOW. (And goodness, what's better than a scene with Davien and Arithon? Couldn't pick a better two people to snippet.)

2. Page 69-70, TK, from "Would you try?" to How will you choose, Teir's S'Ffalenn?"
Rationale: Okay, so I like the entire large scene, but I think either the first half or this second half would make for a good snippet. To a degree, this one has more weight than the first half - it's not only weighted toward the impact of this book, but also refines some of the impact of the series...or at least, it did in my mind. Granted - this second half could be a bit much in the spoiler sense of things.

3. Page 132-133, TK, from, "You have two choices" to "What is a life in the hands of your Fellowship?"
Rationale: For those who have read the previous books, it doesn't give away too much, though Sulfin Evend and Asandir talking does set the curiousity going. This scene offers a fair bit of overall picture while offering a dose of what the books about - It shows how things are in a precarious position, a hint of the dark peril, that things aren't quite as they seem.

There isn't much in Traitor's Knot that isn't rife with picking snippets for this one was harder. After all, if the two flyers were on a table together, how many people would pick up both flyers and read both snippets at the same time?