Archive through August 29, 2007

Janny Wurts Chat Area: Arc 3: Alliance of Light: Stormed Fortress: Status: Archive through August 29, 2007
   By Lyssabits on Wednesday, August 08, 2007 - 12:09 pm: Edit Post

There are a lot of SF/Fantasy/Author blogs out there, surely your fellow authors would be willing to help spread the word? Admittedly the only one I can think of off the top off my head is Deep Genre, but there's got to be others.

And there's your plog on Amazon, but it is a sort of clunky thing, I don't know how many people regularly check it. It's a shame it doesn't pop up when people do product searches, but I don't blame Amazon, no one would be able to find their product if every plog mentioning it also popped up. If you had the help of the publisher though, they perhaps would be able to convince Amazon to put up a product page, and your plogs are linked to the product pages.

And there's all of us, after all. ;) I regularly forward posts from here I think the fans I know who don't read your message board will find interesting.

   By Janny Wurts on Wednesday, August 08, 2007 - 12:42 pm: Edit Post

Lissabits - thanks for your suggestion -- it's a good thought, no question, but it's not polite form to do this sort of thing on another author's forum. There is an etiquette involved.

I don't mind, personally, authors who've asked to pitch their stuff, or howl of a book being dropped, I've said yes for this forum case by case ...I believe it's a good thing to support a peer. Other authors' spaces, though, they should be individually respected.

On many public forums - the AUTHOR is expressly forbidden from pitching their stuff - and no wonder! People who post there do so to discus books they like with other enthusiastic readers, not read plugs (read advertisements) of writers hyping their own stuff...every writer thinks their own books are cool stuff - we wouldn't do them otherwise as we are our own 'first readers' --

I could get myself kicked off certain forums (as an author) for ignoring that policy.

On the good side, I can be there on certain forums, be available to the public, answer questions asked by readers - other readers see those answers - any readers (you) can post and ask questions and be enthusiastic about what you love all you like.

Other readers on those forums can read those bits or not - decide as they wish, whether they're interested - or not. It's a free exchange, not a manipulation or a force feed. Sponteneity is everything. Enthusiasm is catching.

It's been a thought of mine, that maybe, here, we've gotten TOO good at what we do....if you couldn't express frustration in this Status thread, where would you yell?

The ones who hear it here are already here.

I will put something up on Amazon eventually - but right now, there's not a positive direction to direct the readers to - seems sorry to shout "cutback" and not have a solution or alternative in place. It's a public forum, and connected to a sales venue, so I feel it's important not to whine about an impasse that's just not solved, yet.

If the current publisher turns about and radically changes its mind - that's probably the quickest - for the Nov 5 release....but if they won't, and we reach press time with no joy, that doesn't mean it's the only option ever.

It's a setback I don't want to have to face, (scary, yes! we're off to look for something else, then on the US side where I've got the rights in hand). If a change of heart happens, it must be with genuine accord and enthusiasm on the part of the publisher. We are risking their hard effort and investment and they deserve a just payoff. They are not a charity.

Unwilling partners don't dance, or tango, they tangle. Best if we're all on the same page.

   By Lyssabits on Wednesday, August 08, 2007 - 01:16 pm: Edit Post

Oh, I certainly wasn't suggesting spamming other people's forums. ;) Just that if you ever did set up a place for people who wanted the book to register for it, if you had friends that had blogs, they might be persuaded to link to the registry.

I know people who have popular websites get requests for plugs all the time and likely don't appreciate it when strangers come out of the woodwork.. but I didn't think you'd ask strangers to do this favor. I figured, yanno, there have to be people you know, have a relationship with, and would be willing to do the same for if the situations were reversed. Maybe that's taboo in professional circles, I do not know, but it does seem to be a rather common practice among, say, webcomic artists who link each other's websites when they have new projects or help to pass the word along when their friends have news to disseminate to a larger audience than their own site could provide. Maybe this is a practice unique to web-only publishing concerns.

   By Brian Uri! on Wednesday, August 08, 2007 - 05:05 pm: Edit Post

A couple possible brainstorms...

Could the UK publisher request a Stormed Fortress placeholder on that temporarily points to until a US publisher is found?

Do we have any Amazon Marketplace connections that might be willing to post Stormed Fortress "for sale" so it appears in the search, but have the definition for the sale simply alert the interested party that it's only for sale on

From a grass-roots perspective, if there's anyone that has not yet posted a review of Traitor's Knot, they could do so, and mention the issue at the end of their review.


   By Anne Marie Hutchen on Friday, August 10, 2007 - 10:43 am: Edit Post

hmm posted same message twice.
Couldn't delete this one..


   By Anne Marie Hutchen on Friday, August 10, 2007 - 10:45 am: Edit Post

on a whim I wrote to Daw Publishers.. this is a reply I got in regards to an inquiry about HardCover books

I'm sure that if she has any interest in DAW publishing her books that she or her agent will contact us directly. We've already been contacted by a number of authors who lost their previous publisher when Meisha Merlin closed down.

(End Quote)

By the way Janny, Love your writing :-)

Long time lurker!!

   By Jeff on Saturday, August 11, 2007 - 12:24 am: Edit Post

Hi, Janny.

I'm a longtime reader starting with the Daughter of the Empire. I've read each of WOLAS as the books were released, but have just finished rereading the series for the first time back to back. I wish I had waited a couple of months! What a cliffhanger! Well, I'm sure it will be worth the wait. I'll be looking for the forthcoming short stories.
I'm posting now mainly to note that there is an marketplace listing of a copy of Stormed Fortress for $10,000.99. If the listing meets your approval, I'll add it to my wish list.
Thanks for the great writing and for communicating with your readers!

Hi, AnnetteVK.

I hope everything is going well.
I've preordered Stormed Fortress this time (you may remember that for Traitor's Knot, I waited for the Meisha Merlin edition). However, if it becomes available in the USA or Canada, I'll switch my order to one of those locations as long as the release date is not much later.
Best wishes!

   By John P Buckley on Saturday, August 11, 2007 - 05:28 am: Edit Post

Hi Janny,
I have been reading your works since Cycle of Fire. I have also been reading this forum for a long time. I find it ironic that the release date for Stormed Fortress is November 5th as that is my birthday. Thanks for the cool present!
I have already preordered and I hope you get a publisher here soon.
P.S. I love your Art too!

   By Janny Wurts on Saturday, August 11, 2007 - 01:10 pm: Edit Post

Welcome Here Jeff and John - and thanks for the nice words.f

Marketplace listing of Stormed Fortress??? Did you typo that, Jeff?

The book should not be availabe anywhere except through HarperCollins in London, with export to New Zealand and Australia, and no copy should be prior to their press run...

   By Lyssabits on Saturday, August 11, 2007 - 01:57 pm: Edit Post

Heh, you don't have to actually have an item to list it on Amazon Marketplace.. ;) I can't tell if the person who listed it is just trying to make sure it has some web presence on Amazon (in which case, why put such an outlandish price?), or if they're gonna try and sell the UK edition for 10K to some unsuspecting American.

   By Jeff on Saturday, August 11, 2007 - 05:44 pm: Edit Post

The listing can be found by performing a search with the title only.

It can also be found more quickly with just the ISBN number.

   By Daryl Bamforth on Monday, August 20, 2007 - 04:06 am: Edit Post

I know this may just be a shot in the dark .. but Janny have you ever thought about self publishing?


   By Janny Wurts on Monday, August 20, 2007 - 09:34 am: Edit Post

Daryl - for gosh sakes! How nice to hear from you - but I am not near looking that direction. No. We're in the PROCESS....corporate decisions take time to work through.

And if the current dialogue doesn't work into a satisfactory arrangement, there are other avenues to pursue.

I would rather use my precious time to write the stories, undistracted.

I know you are frustrated, and want the answer Now. I'd like the uncertainty behind me, too. But impatience won't do me any favors.

While I do appreciate (and truly) everyone's enthusiastic suggestions - this is not the moment for them. My agent and I HAVE A PLAN. We are pursuing it - in its right time and place, and through correct channels. We don't need another road map, while we are following the one we have laid out. I can't discuss those particulars, meantime. When they bear fruit, I will say so.

If you want to do something truly positive - I have said this - :-) :-) :-)

Get out there where your delight will be noticed, make a stand, and say how much you like a story...that helps. Buzz gets noticed. Any book that doesn't hop to the familiar bandwagon has to be seen to attract the right sort of reader. If the book isn't ON the shelves, or displayed prominently, (as is the case in the US, where the series has been on hold) visibility becomes invisibility unless there are people talking about just why they enjoy a story. And - every new reader that ORDERS a book jumps the numbers, and increases the chances of a quicker deal. :-)

Bald fact: Meisha Merlin's edition reached barely Half of the hardbound readers in the USA, and none of the mass market paperback readers of the series, and of the other books in general...some chains never displayed a copy. There are many readers who may not even know this series is alive and well. Somebody who was left hanging after Peril's Gate may well thank you. Somebody who doesn't know Hell's Chasm exists may be in for a fun read.

To that end: I have just finished reading Carol Berg's latest - Spirit and Flesh - I liked her first trilogy best of her works, and wasn't too sure I could warm to the hero in this one - but as she developed the story, I have to say - it's wonderfully done. But ARGH!!!! If I get One More book that's nicely done and ending in a raw cliff hanger - GNASH! The sequel comes in January....not too bad a wait.

   By Alexis on Tuesday, August 21, 2007 - 01:49 am: Edit Post

Hello - longtime lurker here. As frustrating as this publishing quandry must be for Janny, I would just like to add my sympathetic annoyance. I have often wondered why Janny's books aren't more widely known- especially the WoLaS series. You dont have to be a painter to recognize a masterpiece, or a musician to appreciate the complexities of a symphony.. so here we have some of the finest fiction writing (regardless of genre)I have come across in my long quest for a good read, and no US publisher? I just don't get it. I mean, I like Feist, have read all his stuff... but come on, after reading Janny his stuff seems almost childish. I loved the Magician, but the combination of his colorful world with Janny's sharp talent for plot twists and mature characters was superb. Yet, everybody has read his books. You can't get through the fantasy section of a bookstore without tripping over him. I know I'm preaching to the choir here, but its frustrating. If it helps to know, I have been singing the praises of these books to all my friends. I lend them the Curse of the Mistwraith, and if they like it, I usually buy them the sequels for birthdays, christmas, etc. My impatience for more Athera aside, it is probably a good thing the book won't be published in Australia until after my finals. I do not have Arithon's iron willpower.


   By Janny Wurts on Wednesday, August 22, 2007 - 08:43 pm: Edit Post

Alexis - welcome, and how nice you've uncloaked...and thanks for the truly kind words.

Another day of patience.

Gads, How I Hate Patience!

I feel like that cartoon with the two bored vultures, who came up empty, searching for carcasses - "Heck with this. Let's go hunt something."

   By Blue on Wednesday, August 22, 2007 - 10:32 pm: Edit Post

There is also a great comedy routine everyone says had been written with me in mind, Janny. At one point, the wise old martial arts teacher chides one of his students that he must learn patience, and the student replies, "Yeah, yeah, yeah, patience. How long will that take?"

   By Lyssabits on Wednesday, August 22, 2007 - 10:35 pm: Edit Post

Boot to the head. *thwap!*

   By Angus on Thursday, August 23, 2007 - 07:42 am: Edit Post

Aaaaaah! The Frantics! I loved those guys! They had a great show when I was about 17 (wow. That's more than two decades ago now) called "Four on the Floor".

Good old Ed Glieberman (I think that was his name) was trying to learn "Tai Kwon Leap", so that he could "trash bozos".

His most famous quote was made in response to the statement from the instructor that Tai Kwon Leap was for defence only, quoting some ancient confucian. He said: "A good offence is the best defence. You know who said that? Mel, the cook on 'Alice' ". He probably would have liked Lysaer.

Good stuff.

   By Kitsune on Wednesday, August 29, 2007 - 10:41 am: Edit Post

[quote] Half of the hardbound readers in the USA, and none of the mass market paperback readers of the series, and of the other books in general...some chains never displayed a copy.[/quote]

Interestingly, my FLBS (Barnes & Noble in Framingham, MA) HAS a TPB copy of "Traitors Knot", but none of the other titles in the WoLaS series?! (And they're generally pretty good about stocking smaller titles-- [and I don't mean that in a dimunitive way, of course, Janny!!])

I mentioned it to the sales rep, pointing out the sheer volume of shelf space devoted to Jordan and Martin, and the fact that people are naturally hesitant to pick up Book 6 of a long-running series without reading the preceding books.

The woman I spoke with was very pleasant and suprisingly receptive, and said they would look into it. (Of course, the state of Stormed Fortress in the US may [or may not] be a barrier...)

Amazing, the power of a few words in passing, though. :-)

   By Janny Wurts on Wednesday, August 29, 2007 - 12:34 pm: Edit Post

Kitsune - thank you!