Archive through June 27, 2006

Janny Wurts Chat Area: Arc 3: Alliance of Light: Stormed Fortress: Skyron ... Waystone ... minds and oaths: Archive through June 27, 2006
   By motley on Friday, May 19, 2006 - 08:34 am: Edit Post

I was just rereading Fugitive Prince, and I became aware of the skyron's role in the Koriani order.

The Skyron holds all the vows in exchange for service - doesn't it also hold all the oaths?

Also, when the minds of various renegade initiates are 'stripped' - where are they placed? In the Waystone? If so, and like with Traith's lost 'bits' lurking in DeshThiere, perhaps those can be returned? I'm thinking of Seldie... her spirit can't have disappeared, it's trapped somewhere...

And I've had a rethink: when oh WHEN is Elaria just going to give up the ghost, and ask the F7 for her freedom?

And if Arithon can sing into Lirenda's crystal and (possibly clear it) I'm sure all he needs to do is get close enough to both, hum, and they'll be cleared and spirits freed? :-) Although... that might mean a lot of the Koriani women disintegrate... maybe not...

I just can't WAIT.............................

   By neil on Friday, May 19, 2006 - 11:28 am: Edit Post

The Skyron crystal was in use for oaths since the rebellion because the great waystone was "misplaced" at this time.

Selidie's spirit is still in her body I suspect but "pushed aside"(?) - according to the law of major balance maybe Seldie had already given over permission to Moriel to possess her anyway (F7 admit to having no freedom to help Selidie or more precisely to act against Moriel).

Arithon at this point hasn't grasped that Elaira can be "free" just by asking? He's surely getting to the point where he can appreciate this? I suspect that in Stormed Fortress, we'll see a "showdown" between Arithon and the Koriani...

Maybe Arithon and Elaira need to get married ;-) Lysaer's 2nd wife has some scope to get F7 help as seen in TK; maybe not quite at the same level and the F7 have hinted several times (I guess it can't be too easy or there'd be no story ;-).

If it served his purposes, Davien could have suggested already "Elaira, it's odd that you don't claim your freedom? I would says it's possible...perhaps not. Your choice, of course". I wonder whether it serves some fellowship plan to see Elaira still "tied in" to the koriani, knowing that she'll come to know Arithon best and that they can maybe remove a thorn in their side...

   By Auna on Friday, May 19, 2006 - 07:01 pm: Edit Post

Here's my take on why nobody just up and bonks Elaira on the head and says ASK FOR IT!

I honestly believe that the path she takes towards self awareness of her ability to ask is as important or more so than her eventual freedom. This is why F7 are very closed about offering information to anyone - they don't want to prematurely abort a path that might lead to better growth and self awareness in the long run.

It's like when you tell your significant other something and they don't believe you until they see it for themselves :p

   By Steve Redpath on Saturday, May 20, 2006 - 08:57 am: Edit Post

It is one of the old condurums. If you full respect someones' free will you can only help when they ask. Elaira being told she could be free is not respecting her free will. Not once has she said she wants to be free of her oath. She has to come to understand that she has the right to change her mind. Once she does so then she can make a decision and only then.

   By Blue on Saturday, May 20, 2006 - 10:58 am: Edit Post

My $.02 on this...

Like Arithon, it is likely no one is TELLING Elaira because she is having to grow, too. I mean, how easy would it be for them to survive as a couple, were she to remain in a rut, far less mature, magickally or otherwise than Arithon?

One clumsy example I can think of is a fifty-ish friend of mine who was lamenting breaking up with his girlfriend. Someone joked that he needed to call one of those date/chat lines, and he said, no thanks, because he did NOT want to go through the b.s. of an immature woman years his junior looking for the security a father-like figure.

Now, were Arithon, who is becoming more mature and aware, as well as powerful, (illustrated in PG and TK) to hook up with a content-with-the-status-quo/in a rut Elaira, how long does anyone think it would last?

We can speculate that it is BECAUSE of Arithon's growth that Elaira is growing, too. He is not forcing her to grow, she is choosing to do so in order to understand him. He is a catalyst, much like spring sunshine encouraging a seed to grow. Morriel/Selidie's plotting against Arithon, the F7, and the Compact are FORCING Elaira to unappealing choices - way back when in GC, she was forced to choose between changing Fionn Areth's face to match Arithon's, or being rendered witless.

   By juliana on Saturday, May 20, 2006 - 02:18 pm: Edit Post

I suspect Elaira knows it is possible to have her freedom restored, Remember she spent the better part of a year with Ath's adepts and has seen the awesome power of two of the F7. She will eventually figure things out as she embraces perceptions and truths that challenge her lifelong training. She was never the cookie cutter Koriani. I also think she would want her "freedom" to be gained independent of Arithon.

   By starstorm on Sunday, May 21, 2006 - 08:08 pm: Edit Post

Juliana, I think you have it exactly right when you say that Elaira isn't "the cookie cutter Koriani." She just strikes me as much too smart to continue to be bound to them against her will when there's a way out (one it seems like she should have figured out already).
I tend to think that she knows subconsciously that she has a role to play that is more difficult--and ultimately more important--than if she simply asked the Fellowship to set her free.


   By Auna on Monday, May 22, 2006 - 04:18 pm: Edit Post

Actually, that's a good point because time and time again Elaira has put herself in the position she is in because she can blunt the effects of Morriel's schemes and trust in Arithon to get out of the mischief that does come his way.

   By Neil on Tuesday, May 23, 2006 - 03:04 am: Edit Post

Yes, I read this last night. In TK, Elaira resolves to trust in Arithon's strength and to go along with the current Koriani plans in order to be a postion to at least temper the effects / be present and have an input.

   By wolfhunter on Tuesday, June 27, 2006 - 05:09 am: Edit Post

Well, maybe there will be a time when Elaira does not need to ask a Fellowship sorcerer for help but is actually in a position to free herself - why do some people always think women need the help of some guy?
No, I think one day she will need to face a challenge and make a decision that will enable to free herself from the Koriani compact. So fair the Koriani order has all these reasons for being, but their own senior is actually acting against what the order stands for and against free will (Selidie & Lirenda).
I am all for Girl Power!!

   By juliana on Tuesday, June 27, 2006 - 11:08 am: Edit Post

The reason Elaira would ask for Sorcerer intervention is because so far they seem to be the only ones with the knowledge and power to revoke her oath sealed in the skyron cyrstal. Now the prime could allow Elaira to go her own way freely, but this is a power struggle. Morriel/Seldie still invoke the order's tenets which is to relieve suffering. Despite the noble status of being accepted as an intiate trainee in the order, I doubt the higher eschelon were ever humble. Until the various human factions cease vying for power (unlikely- art imitating life?)mortals will have to rely on the F7, Ath's adepts to uphold their right to free will.