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   By Janny Wurts on Wednesday, February 06, 2008 - 10:06 pm: Edit Post

Well, cross the fingers, the Title brainburn may have yielded a result....let's see if it withstands the scrutiny of Ye Editors...:-)

Stay tuned....

   By Laneth Sffarlenn on Wednesday, February 06, 2008 - 10:09 pm: Edit Post

Thine editors better treat with thee justly Madame Wurts, else we angry mob shall set upon them like the almighty Flames of the Inferno!

(I mean, good luck and sneak us a peek at the title when ye can - pretty please...sugar on top, ye know the rest!)

   By Tygrr on Wednesday, February 06, 2008 - 11:33 pm: Edit Post

Oooohhh, the suspense is killing me!!!

   By Blue on Thursday, February 07, 2008 - 04:03 am: Edit Post

Laneth, it sounds like you want to form a Mob of Irate Torch Wielding Fans...

My friend, Jean Johnson's fans already have one set up on Yahoo! In fact, I AM a member of the Mob of Irate Torch Wielding Fans.

We'll have to come up with a different title for the legions of irate Wurts fans trying to get the point across to US publishers, however.

   By Laneth Sffarlenn on Thursday, February 07, 2008 - 04:34 am: Edit Post

I can borrow the horde of zombies that are on the staff of the school paper I'm involved in? Think a horde of zombies would help?
They're well trained, with pizza being a healthy incentive for them to do as told :D

Seriously though we should find a decent avenue to get the word out.
Websites like LibraryThing and various others are good to an extent, but they really don'y accurately account the FANS of Wurts' Literature. I'm going to go to and see if we can't drum up some signatures to present to the publishing houses in support of Janny's submissions.

How many signatures do ye think we will need? 5k? 10?

   By Janny Wurts on Thursday, February 07, 2008 - 09:10 am: Edit Post

OK - Word's back.

Here are the titles, though note, the second volume is at this time tentative.

Title for Arc IV:

Sword of the Canon

Book 1 - Initiate's Trial

Book 2 - (tentative) Destiny's Conflict

Now, before you all got NUTS - bear in mind - these titles were chosen NOT TO SPOIL. So - if you "think" you can speculate on the obvious - hah!!!
- don't bet any bucks on the outcome.

Yay - happy author, we are officially NAMED.

   By Clansman on Thursday, February 07, 2008 - 09:52 am: Edit Post

Cool, and yet mysterious.

Sword of the Canon? Well, we know that gunpowder is not allowed on Athera as part of the Compact, and the firing-type is spelled with two "n"s, not one.

Can I speculate that the word "Canon" has a religious context, as in canonical, saintly, etc.? It sounds to me like the religious wars of the Alliance of Light, or its faith, will continue, but again, this is pure speculation on my part.

Now, Initiate's Trial. Could this be Elaira? Her role has steadily and definitely increased with each book, until in SF she was as central a character as Arithon. Is she leaping to the fore? What kind of trial is she facing? The "burn the witch" kind? Or the "test your character" kind? Or would this be Arithon's daughter, as an initiate of the Beidar mysteries? Or Kevor, as Ath's initiate?

Destiny's Conflict. This is so broad a title I can't even begin to guess. Final showdown between Arithon and Lysaer? The defeat of the Curse in Lysaer?

Speculation is so much fun!

   By John Parsons on Thursday, February 07, 2008 - 10:07 am: Edit Post

Definitely cool!

Canon usually refers to accepted religious writings; as in the 'Bible canon' - the list of books allowed in the holy scriptures. SO, some kind of holy /religious book. But a sword of that??? Must be Alithiel (or maybe another of the twelve blades)

Yes speculation is fascinating!!


   By Julie on Thursday, February 07, 2008 - 11:39 am: Edit Post

Maybe its Sulfin Evand- he is talented but untrained. Maybe Dakar finally harnesses his talents and ascends to mastery. Arithon, Elaira, Kevor, the unborn child are way too obvious!

   By Brittani Pasek on Thursday, February 07, 2008 - 11:58 am: Edit Post

Laneth I am thinking you are going to need something more like 50-75K signatures for a petition to get publishers. They are not interested in how many people already have her books, they want to know how many new books they are going to sell. 5-10K won't make a lot of money for a publisher. Just my take on things though I could be wrong.

   By DarthJazy on Thursday, February 07, 2008 - 12:25 pm: Edit Post

hmmm i would guess sword of canon is in reference of the pen is mightyer than the sword in reference Lysaers religion and what ever bible they have coct up.

Initiates Trial - I would guess it may be Lysaer accepting training to help rid himself of the curse or and more likly itll will be Dakars final trial to be ranked above initiate mage. Elaira don't make sence for she is more on the path of being a healer.

Destinys conflict - well there are two destinies that basically rule of of athera and lead everyone about by the nose. Arithons destiny with redeeming his curse driven brother. The other I would think is the curse grabbing a final foothold into lysaer and driving him so far over the edge he dies or succeeds in killing arithon. Lets all remeber while Arithon may be the one chosen by most and most talented if either brother is permantly lost to athera the wraiths will eventually win. We need both not just one.

Love to speculate.

   By DarthJazy on Thursday, February 07, 2008 - 12:28 pm: Edit Post

I forgot to add. I would love to see more about Lysaers Destiny. Everyone is ussually so worried about and trying to save Arithon and his destiny so the F7 can be made whole. Infact is it ever mentioned what Lysaers Destiny is supposed to be?

   By Hunter on Friday, February 08, 2008 - 08:18 am: Edit Post

In some ways, I would have thought Alliance of Light could have been renamed Sword of the Canon.

A straightforward interpretation of Sword of the Canon is that Lysaer is the Sword, forceably converting all of the masses of Athera to his Canon of the Religion of Light. However, Lysaer had basically conquered everywhere except Havish before Stormed Fortress had started.

Of far more excitement and interest I think is a different take - Arithon's restoration of the Compact and the rule by High Kings and, where required, of caithdeiene, of Athera.

Ciladis has to return for the Black Rose prophecy to be fulfilled, Dakar's prophecy requires Arithon to embrace kingship. We have the picture of Exile's Return at Ithamon. Arithon is still called an initiate mage.. Resuming the Kingdom of Rathain, so nearly his all those pages and years ago in Curse.., would pose a trial would it not?

Like Traitor's Knot, I would suspect Initiate's Trial would apply to more than one individual. Arithon yes. Elaira yes. Lysaer, possibly. The outcome of the effects on Lysaer at Alestron is not yet known. Kevor may also re-surface.

And.. Destiny's Conflict? Is there really only one Destiny here?

   By Clansman on Friday, February 08, 2008 - 09:55 am: Edit Post

Excellent points, Hunter. Janny's plots are always multi-faceted, so I agree that the "Initiate" in the title is likely applicable to several different people to whom that label could apply, namely Arithon, Elaira, Dakar, Kevor, Arithon's daughter, and possibly Lysaer.

The redemption of Lysaer must come at some point. I believe that Desh-Thiere cursed the half-brothers not because of what they did at Ithamon back in CotMW, but because of what they might do to the whole of Desh-Thiere in the future. Desh-Thiere is sentient, and it is obviously supernatural. Therefore, it is not much of a stretch for it to have prescience either, and perhaps much more reliable and biddable prescience than Dakar's. Desh-Thiere has likely foreseen what the brothers would do if they had not been cursed, and the Curse was its attempt to avoid that fate.

Correct me if I am wrong, but we still have in excess of 450 years left to Lysaer and Arithon's life span? Does the 500 years of turmoil refer to the period of time during the Mistwraith's dominance plus the conflict of the brothers, or to just the turmoil between the brothers? Lysaer could be redeemed at any time, and his religion could simply keep on going and going, a la Energizer Bunny.

Any other ideas?

P.S. Oh mighty Gryphon, the profanity checker is going overboard. It picked up an "s" at the end of a sentence followed by "It" at the beginning of another. Talk about picky! I changed the "It" to "Desh-Thiere" and my problems were solved, but the software might need some adjustment.

   By Janny Wurts on Friday, February 08, 2008 - 10:05 am: Edit Post

What fun - lots of new contributors!

And what fun - the speculations!

I would dare to suggest - the titles for Alliance of Light and for Sword of the Canon are certainly NOT you will come to find out.

   By DarthJazy on Friday, February 08, 2008 - 03:21 pm: Edit Post

OOOOOOOOHHHHH thats just mean teasing Janny :P

   By Trys on Friday, February 08, 2008 - 04:23 pm: Edit Post

I can tweak some settings on the software. I.e., "Prevent using first and last letters of banned words with symbols between". But that option has always been turned on so unless this becomes a real problem, I'm hesitant to undo it. Keep me posted.

   By Sundancer on Monday, February 11, 2008 - 07:19 am: Edit Post

Ooooh Janny, this is exciting. So much room for speculation.


spoiler spoiler spoiler

I have to admit that my first ideas have already been aired by others - my first reaction was Elaira as the initiate - her trial in working through her role as demanded by her crystal's decision to return to the Koriani, but then who would have guessed that the treachery in SF was by a S'Brydion? BTW is there a decision/explanation somewhere about who are/is the traitors in Traitor's Knot?

But Arithon is an initiate - and he has just been through the sort of experience that in Kevor's case required him to become an Ath's initate or to fade away from the world through longing for the higher planes he'd experienced. I really can't imagine what is holding Arithon to the world except his will and his vow after so long out of it.

Another initiate: Arithon's daughter presumably will be trained in magic, if she grows up at Althain tower, and the implications are that she is going to have a sad story.

No-one has mentioned any other Koriani initiate - what about Morriel? or Lirenda? After all, the title may be about a major theme but not the whole story, and the Koriani are in need of redemption too.

Remember everyone, this is going to be a stand-alone story (from a new perspective?) What scope might that give Janny? Which of our preconceptions will she turn on their heads this time? I can wait, but only just!

And sword of the canon: I'm terribly tempted by the idea of Arithon entering and turning Lysaer's religion into something more humane. That image of him being sacrificed seen by Jieret still has to come true...

I still think the sword should be Alithiel.

Definition of canon" a rule or especially body of rules or principles generally established as valid and fundamental in a field or art or philosophy" or "An ecclesiastical law or code of laws established by a church council. A secular law, rule, or code of law."

Who else might have a canon apart from Lysaer's religion? The clans in keeping the compact? The mage-trained? The Biedar? Need the sword be physical?

Thank you Janny, not mean at all, you are so generous with your readers

   By Tygrr on Monday, February 11, 2008 - 06:13 pm: Edit Post

Maybe the initiate could be referring to Lirenda? I hate to think of her free will being taken from her permanently. Even if she committed atrocities that Morriel/Selidie Prime did not sanction. For all we know, maybe somehow she will be redeemed. Or what happened to her could somehow be another trial to be overcome to prove she is worthy of prime succession? Just speculation of course...I am to sick to be thinking clearly! :-(

   By DarthJazy on Wednesday, February 13, 2008 - 11:07 am: Edit Post

I had a thougtht on the sword of cannon. There are 12 blades similar to Alithiel. Does each blade ahve a different power and inate awareness? Did each high king have one at some time? Maybe one of these swords is named canon?

On a side note cause this is the first place i posting this morning. The strike is over BRING ON "HEROS" WOOT!!




sorry couldnt control myself.

   By Clansman on Wednesday, February 13, 2008 - 11:56 am: Edit Post


   By DarthJazy on Wednesday, February 13, 2008 - 02:39 pm: Edit Post

Hey this is better than christmas!

   By Tygrr on Wednesday, February 13, 2008 - 07:02 pm: Edit Post

I was under the impression that only Alithiel was passed into human hands. The other Paravian blades would be much too large for a human to handle. The only reason Alithiel is not oversized is because it was made for a centaur that was born undersized.

   By Sundancer on Saturday, February 16, 2008 - 03:23 am: Edit Post

Just re-reading Janny's comments that the titles were chosen not to spoil - so we are free to speculate wildly knowing we're going to be wildly wrong.

Had another thought - all the other arcs are about where the conflict between Arithon and Lysaer is up to - hence wars of light and shadow and then alliance of light. Lysaer is now homeless and trying to reduce the influence of the mistwraith, but his religion is not in the same mode.

And the next book is stand- alone. What if it is written from the viewpoint within the religion? The initiate could be an initiate of the religion of the light (even - really wild - Arithon's daughter). For 'sword of the canon' - what if it is a person or process within the religion of the light?

   By Auna on Monday, February 18, 2008 - 03:52 pm: Edit Post

I love the titles - great open ended and vast potential for multiple meanings, woo!

My own thoughts - Elaira/Koriani resolution this book, possible time jump to age Arithon's daughter, then F6/Davien and curse resolutions next book.

Oops forgot we have another book(s) for wrapup, so curse resolution goes there, hehe.

   By John P Buckley on Saturday, June 28, 2008 - 03:02 am: Edit Post defines Canon as
1. an ecclesiastical rule or law enacted by a council or other competent authority and, in the Roman Catholic Church, approved by the pope.
2. the body of ecclesiastical law.
3. the body of rules, principles, or standards accepted as axiomatic and universally binding in a field of study or art: the neoclassical canon.
4. a fundamental principle or general rule: the canons of good behavior.
5. a standard; criterion: the canons of taste.
6. the books of the Bible recognized by any Christian church as genuine and inspired.
7. any officially recognized set of sacred books.
8. any comprehensive list of books within a field.
9. the works of an author that have been accepted as authentic: There are 37 plays in the Shakespeare canon. Compare apocrypha (def. 3).
10. a catalog or list, as of the saints acknowledged by the Church.
11. Liturgy. the part of the Mass between the Sanctus and the Communion.
12. Eastern Church. a liturgical sequence sung at matins, usually consisting of nine odes arranged in a fixed pattern.
13. Music. consistent, note-for-note imitation of one melodic line by another, in which the second line starts after the first.
14. Printing. a 48-point type.
So which one applies? Personally I think the religous references are two obvious. So my vote goes for #3

   By Kirsten Laurelle Wallace on Saturday, June 28, 2008 - 05:25 pm: Edit Post

My vote definately goes for 13. Being a musician myself I may be biased but I think that, because Arithon is a musician, it is something that Janny could definately do something with. Because it's the least obvious definition I could see her using it for something in her book. I think she always manages to use something benign to create something unusual.

   By John P Buckley on Saturday, June 28, 2008 - 08:53 pm: Edit Post

Wow I didn't pay attention to the music one. It definitely sounds plausible