Archive through January 14, 2010

Janny Wurts Chat Area: Arc 4: Sword of the Canon: Initiate's Trial: Initiate's Trial Status: Archive through January 14, 2010
   By plutoplex on Thursday, April 02, 2009 - 06:50 pm: Edit Post

Hmmm . . . North and East Worldgates? Are they still open? (Curse my memory! Did the Sorcerers - or anyone else -- ever say?) If they are open, did the Mistwraith invade them, too?

   By Mark Stephen Kominski on Saturday, April 04, 2009 - 09:31 am: Edit Post

Cheers Pluto...

We're promised on this here forum-thingy that nothing is written in Janny's works as mere "window dressing" (I think that was the term she used, apologies if misquoted!). With that in mind, I think the purpose of those two gates is yet to be revealed (I asked a similar such question last year...). Regarding the mistwraith, we've not yet learned where else (other than space) it has roamed, although it stands to reason that the world's gates could link to more than Athera, of course....

And surely someone else out there remembers a relevant quote....

*trembles to think that anyone's relying on his memory...*

   By Technetus on Monday, April 06, 2009 - 02:08 am: Edit Post

Actually, on the subject of non-window-dressing, memory prompts me regarding Mainmere (?), where a certain centaur mason bound stone to speak to the one who faces Athera's greatest peril.

My copies are on loan, but I think it's mentioned in GC when Asandir arrives to put down the burning of Caithwood, and again later in Davien's scrying pool when Morriel tries to smash the planet.

   By Janny Wurts on Thursday, April 09, 2009 - 11:06 am: Edit Post

No window dressing - nope.

And -- for that "other forum's interest" - grin - NO ROLEPLAYING. The Atheran universe originated as you see it with ONE author's active imagination. I did not worldbuild with anybody's help - not even the husband.

More - let's see if I can finish this chapter today! It's very very close - and a pesky bit it's been, very delicately layered - those sorts feel like swimming through glue. I can see/feel/sense everything as it needs to be shown - getting the words in the right order - aaauuugh!

The page count is climbing, all quality stuff.

There will be a launch party scheduled for MAY some time - anybody have suggestions for the festival?

   By Mark Stephen Kominski on Friday, April 10, 2009 - 12:39 am: Edit Post


Re the Roleplaying, I'm not surprised (had they made me guess, I would have said not....). I can't explain (at least, not very well!) or defend it, but my take is that your stuff doesn't read like that of others who've been influenced by roleplay. Those always seem to be itching to get to the next piece of action, sometimes even at the expense of ignoring a beckoning sub-plot or a trip down a previously unexplored nuance of a character's makeup.

"That other forum" thanks you kindly! ;-)

Festival, hmmm. May's too late to take advantage of the Vernal Equinox's lane surge for visuals; may I presume that some new artwork will accompany the event?

(Us fans be relentless....:D)

   By Kirsten Laurelle Wallace on Friday, April 10, 2009 - 09:09 am: Edit Post

I'd have to agree with Mark about the action in roleplaying. I think it stems from needing to keep the players involved and excited and then it leaks into writing.

Where is the Festival?

   By Walt on Friday, April 10, 2009 - 09:13 am: Edit Post

Ack!!! Mark! You used the "A" word! We mustn't distract the tale spinner with ay - are - tea. What Mark meant to say Janny was... umm... new SMARTwork! Yah! That's the ticket! So keep those fingers tappin' away... The keyboard is your friend! The horses are fine! Don can muck out the stalls... use paper plates...

   By Janny Wurts on Friday, April 10, 2009 - 09:49 am: Edit Post

Mark - the artwork I'd celebrate with is already drawn....a mess of stuff from the Paravia Sketchbook I haven't scanned, to the husband's dismay - he's afraid I'll leave the book, someplace silly.

   By Kirsten Laurelle Wallace on Friday, April 10, 2009 - 01:40 pm: Edit Post

And then we'd all cry. (if you lost the notebook that is)

   By Mark Stephen Kominski on Saturday, April 11, 2009 - 12:27 am: Edit Post

*Hopes the book will be inadvertently left on his door step*

Don't worry Kristen; if that happens, I'll share!:-)

   By Kirsten Laurelle Wallace on Saturday, April 11, 2009 - 12:21 pm: Edit Post

thanks, Mark. I would do the same. :-)

   By John Parsons on Sunday, April 12, 2009 - 10:45 am: Edit Post


Actually, on the subject of non-window-dressing, memory prompts me regarding Mainmere (?), where a certain centaur mason bound stone to speak to the one who faces Athera's greatest peril.

I've just found the one reference Technitus, page 38 of the UK edition, it says
"The centaur mason Imaury Riddler was said to have placed a wisdom in each of the megaliths set into the primary foundation. At need, stone would answer, latent power unchained in whispered response to the step of the one who faced the hour of Athera's most deadly peril."
Interesting indeed, firstly his name (Riddler!) and secondly "in response to the step of the one" which suggests that the person would just arrive at the focus in order to release the power. Has Arithon ever been there?


   By Mark Stephen Kominski on Monday, April 13, 2009 - 11:16 pm: Edit Post

Not to take attention away, JP (and I promise to weigh in on Arithon/Mainmere when my rereads reach that point!), but has Initiate's Trial available for pre-order, indicating a December availability...see 1_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1239681349&sr=8-2

for (alas) no further detail, although it's listed as paperback.

Is there any substance here? Remember, I'm dense, so if this nugget was posted somewhere, just gently nudge me in that direction....

   By Hunter on Tuesday, April 14, 2009 - 06:05 am: Edit Post

Amazon dates should usually be taken with a large dose of salt.. official dates come when Janny announces them..

   By Janny Wurts on Tuesday, April 14, 2009 - 09:21 am: Edit Post

When I checked that listing, it showed no release date on the page, only the title "to ship when it became avaialable" - where did the December idea come from???

Because I don't yet HAVE a date from the publisher, and I am still drafting the manuscript.

Behind the scenes, dates have been discussed - but not for 09. That's not reasonable, one bit, as final production would have had to begin last month, to realize a Dec. release.

I am rounding the bend into the surge for the finish - that means, probably 3-5 chapter SETS to bring it to completion. And I'm doing them carefully, very carefully, since this series has to converge, not sprawl. The new material and new characters have to enrich the old, not shoot off on wild tangents (unlikely anyhow, since the planning is invested for a convergent payoff.)

If you'll note: from Fugitive Prince to Stormed Fortress, you only "gained" about 7 SIGNIFICANT secondary characters. (not a "bible" of thousands.)

   By Trys on Tuesday, April 14, 2009 - 10:35 am: Edit Post

Janny, if you scroll down the page to the Product Details, it says Publisher: HarperVoyager (1 Dec 2009)

   By Mark Stephen Kominski on Tuesday, April 14, 2009 - 11:44 am: Edit Post

Thanks Hunter. I had suspected as much, and have faith that there would have been an announcement here, too, Madam Talespinner (am dense, not impenetrable!), but I thought folks might want to know about Amazon's presumption, were it to be the case. Sorry to take you away from writing and crafting with Amazon's own form of fiction!

Now if they can just change the media type to "hardback"....*grins evily* ;)

   By Dan Henby on Sunday, April 19, 2009 - 07:05 pm: Edit Post

What I found hilarious was the section "People who bought this [not even finished, let alone published] book also bought...."

I suppose this is for the people who have pre-ordered. But this simply highlights the inanity of Amazon.

   By motley on Thursday, April 23, 2009 - 06:32 pm: Edit Post

I had thought the date was Dec 09.

I can't help a small, disappointed.. oh.

It was going to make what has been a really tough year so far, so much better.


   By Mark Stephen Kominski on Thursday, April 23, 2009 - 10:27 pm: Edit Post

*Sends good thoughts in Motley's direction*

Hang in there. Janny will tease us with AT LEAST 12 more snippets before that point....:D

And I agree, Dan, the suggestions border on comical sometimes....

   By Janny Wurts on Friday, April 24, 2009 - 09:53 am: Edit Post

Hi Dan Henby - welcome here!

Motley - may the book reach you in better times.

To have achieved the Dec 09 release, I'd have had to have the draft completely finished by Jan 1, 09. The start of a new arc just plain takes exacting care. This one more than any book, ever. The story has to develop in both directions, and deepen, and I do not want "split volume sprawl." Right at the moment, I am now well into the 600s for manuscript page count, and the plot is ripening up right smack on schedule, tipping into the frantic ramp up to finish.

The timing is frustrating - but - there will be NO disappointments with regard to this story. The output from here is, as usual, pacing steadily forward.

   By Mark Stephen Kominski on Saturday, April 25, 2009 - 12:26 am: Edit Post

Ah, so you don't contest the 12 snippets, then?

*rubs hands together with a slightly maniacal look in his eyes*

Good, is very good.......;)

   By Sandtiger on Saturday, April 25, 2009 - 07:19 pm: Edit Post

Well, good news! My friend who is the Manager at Bakka Phoenix Bookstore in Toronto said that Harper Collins Canada announced that they were re-releasing all of Janny's Books. This is good, because I imagine we'll start seeing them be available for order shortly. And the announcement can only be a good thing - as bookstore people will know.

Jana ::Thinking sometimes we are a bit behind the times up here - must have been the long winter...::

   By Janny Wurts on Tuesday, May 05, 2009 - 09:32 am: Edit Post

Ah! You clever DOG of a character, you!!!! Just when you thought (as author) you knew it all....har!!!

Foxed me, this one did. Pretty amazing...I feel like I just got smacked with a curve ball.

Oh, this one is going to be really INTERESTING fun.

Yes, I've been writing...

Jana - THANKs for the update. I'll be relieved when those listings finally DO appear.

   By Janny Wurts on Monday, May 11, 2009 - 08:53 am: Edit Post

Looking at the finish of nine set, today. That brings the page count to...eep! - up there!!!

   By Janny Wurts on Wednesday, May 13, 2009 - 09:12 am: Edit Post

Puffs off the dust, here - you cannot all be buried in Exams! Or are you???

(heh heh, time to spring something deliciously unexpected!)

   By Zorana Lewis on Wednesday, May 13, 2009 - 09:14 am: Edit Post

lol. I was in one today. 9:30am until 1:15pm and it was nasty. I think I must have done something wrong to that exam paper in a past life and it was getting its vengeance and it was nasty. Or, conversely, it could just be I revised all of the wrong things and had a complete brainfart when I got in there and forgot everything I DID know about the questions available.

   By Clansman on Wednesday, May 13, 2009 - 10:07 am: Edit Post

I don't miss exams. The law school ones were the nastiest (I still have nightmares about my final in Evidence. Law school exams for lecture courses tended to be 100% finals. You fail the exam, you fail the course. Just a wee bit of pressure). That being said, school was easier than work actually is.

Given the Talespinner's comments, methinks I hear another snippet from Initiate's Trial wending its way through cyberspace.

   By Dan Henby on Thursday, May 14, 2009 - 05:11 am: Edit Post

We need to understand what both "unexpected" and "deliciously" might mean?
For example "I've given up" would be extremely unexpected, but not delicious.
A snippet would be delicious, but now, not unexpected. A release date: Delicious and unexpected!
Regarding exams, I sat in one exam (in Hebrew, not my native tongue), not having slept well the night before thanks to my 10 month old son, and turned the page over to find that I couldn't read anything on the page! That day stank!

   By Neil on Thursday, May 14, 2009 - 05:18 pm: Edit Post

I have done my last exam in March ;-) I still have 4 reports to do...and am sadly in the middle of a difficult one...

...happy to see anything unexpected...I am mystified where this series is going...and looking forward to seeing Arithon in action again.

One of these days I am planning to try to work backwards from an Arithon "success" (whatever this may mean) at the end of arc 5...I am hoping optimistically that it might be possible to backwards "engineer" all the loose ends since there maybe less probabilities going backwards than forwards...

I could have taken some creative problem solving course too seriously ;-)

   By plutoplex on Friday, May 15, 2009 - 06:02 am: Edit Post

I'm still shocked to realize I'm two years past exams and massive papers -- it seems like a ridiculous flight of fancy that they're over and done with.

And ooh! a snippet sneaking ever closer!

*Starts bouncing off the ceiling in anticipation*

   By Konran on Friday, May 15, 2009 - 03:14 pm: Edit Post

I love how everyone assumes it's going to be a snippet =P It's probably not a release date, though, because we don't get that until Janny gets that, and Janny doesn't get it until she turns the manuscript in, and it's not even done yet. So I wouldn't get my hopes up for that. I'm not saying it's NOT a snippet, it just amuses me that that's where everybody's brain automatically goes.

   By John Parsons on Friday, May 15, 2009 - 03:48 pm: Edit Post

Thank you for making my day! I laughed and laughed at the picture of you taking an exam in Hebrew (Hebrew!!!!!), turning the paper over and not even being able to read the questions! I have had some stinky days but that beats all!


   By Mark Stephen Kominski on Saturday, May 16, 2009 - 02:18 pm: Edit Post

Hmmm, working backwards thru this, Neil? Let us know when you start; we'll send help in to pull you out of the maze! ;-)

   By Kirsten Laurelle Wallace on Wednesday, May 27, 2009 - 11:03 am: Edit Post

I am thankfully done with exams and have been for the last year. I don't miss them.

I'm hoping for a snippet, but I have to agree with Konran. The last time Janny said something like this we all decided it was a snippet and it wasn't.

I hope it is though.:-)

   By Mark Timmony on Thursday, May 28, 2009 - 05:31 am: Edit Post

"Harper Collins Canada announced that they were re-releasing all of Janny's Books"

Does that include 'Sorcerer's Legacy', 'The Cycle of Fire Trilogy' and 'Master of Whitestorm'?

   By Janny Wurts on Thursday, May 28, 2009 - 08:17 am: Edit Post

Mark - Not to my knowledge.
HC Canada were a bit slow off the mark to list this re-launch - I guess they're making a bang of an announcement in correction.

While I really REALLY want this relaunch to spur interest in the earlier titles - as yet, that is still an event in Dream Time. But it IS coming here, one day...let us make it so.

(Wheeps, in the writing department. Page Count Time - I tremble to think - I've been staring at the approach of page 700 in the draft - scary, that! Getting closer....


This, the crazy one letter plot synopsis awards, time. Will ANYONE who created a one-letter post of TEN words or more send me an e mail with that post, and your address.

Will anyone who made a post of TWENTY words or more, do the same?

And if you did Z or W.

All posts must have been made PRIOR to this announcement.

   By Janny Wurts on Friday, May 29, 2009 - 02:05 pm: Edit Post

Well, it's happened.

Page 700 of the draft for Initiate's Trial is HISTORY!

Who's telepathic? What's the current sentence?

   By Neil on Friday, May 29, 2009 - 06:55 pm: Edit Post

And Arithon rounded satirically on Sethvir, "You've lived on Athera for 10000 years and never once kissed a koriani? You are missing out with just your cups of tea. They can be really enchanting once you get to know them".

But then again...perhaps not?!?

   By Mark Stephen Kominski on Saturday, May 30, 2009 - 07:27 am: Edit Post


No you didn't just post that, Neil!

*Falls to the floor, in search of breath!*

   By Dan Henby on Wednesday, June 03, 2009 - 10:37 pm: Edit Post

Asandir ripped his gloves off, shaking the ice shards from them onto the floor. Tiny diamonds scattered across the stones of Sethvir's room, to melt in the warm glow coming from the fireplace. "If the blasted Teir s'Ffalenn gives me any more trouble, HE can calm the next drake's dream himself!"
Sethvir looked up from his tea, now cold. "Brother, you'll need those gloves on again. There's trouble at the South Gate.. again."

   By Janny Wurts on Thursday, June 04, 2009 - 11:26 am: Edit Post

(Snort!!!! Not hardly.)

   By Janny Wurts on Thursday, June 04, 2009 - 11:27 am: Edit Post

:-) Extreme author delight (read, they haven't a clue!!!)

   By Zorana Lewis on Thursday, June 04, 2009 - 11:30 am: Edit Post

Well I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that it's a blank line because it's a scene break. *nods*

And I have to say, this is such a beautiful distraction from my research. XD. Though I'm in danger of getting booted out of the library if I don't learn a bit of self-control and stop giggling hysterically. lol

   By Janny Wurts on Monday, June 15, 2009 - 10:50 am: Edit Post

Main Chapter Ten - tick - done.

Oh boy! The heat is on now!

   By Brad Saenz on Friday, June 26, 2009 - 10:04 pm: Edit Post


I might have missed it in here, but will there a hardback for this new book? Trade PB?



   By Janny Wurts on Saturday, June 27, 2009 - 08:27 am: Edit Post

Hi Brad -

I don't know.

Before I can retackle that question, we need to break expectations in a good way, with regard to the hard facts, increased numbers, of this new US re-release. The sunnier the picture, the more pull the argument will carry. We have to beat the economic slowdown - the opportunity is on the table. Publishers aren't taking risks at the moment without facts to back them.

I do not expect that the trade paperback would be dropped - but then, the shift out of hardbound caught me totally flatfooted.

On the better note - it will be a solid story - that I can deliver on my own merits.

   By Julie on Tuesday, July 07, 2009 - 02:01 pm: Edit Post

Wow it has been really quiet here. Any updates Janny?

   By Janny Wurts on Tuesday, July 07, 2009 - 04:24 pm: Edit Post

Yup, page 725, draft. The ending bits for this volume are in high perk - some surprises coming for readers who think they know...and one of the most controversial threads in this chat, ever, is bound for a red hot upset.

You're gonna like it!

   By Clansman on Wednesday, July 08, 2009 - 08:27 am: Edit Post

And what, pray tell, might that particular thread's name be, oh secretive Talespinner?

   By Walt on Wednesday, July 08, 2009 - 09:15 am: Edit Post

Oh my poor head! I feel like Dakar after a night swilling brandy... and now our belovéd bardess drops that kind of a bomb? Zounds! Zoinks!

oh my poor head....

   By Janny Wurts on Wednesday, July 08, 2009 - 10:02 am: Edit Post

Clansman - it just happens to be "untitled" at the moment - I'll tell you when that changes, deal?

It's flowing - two more sparks of idea fallout on sticky notes were on the keyboard as I started up today. (What happens to Story when the computer got turned off for the goes into Sticky Note Holding Pattern for the next day. If anybody asks, yes, muses are MESSY.)

   By Clansman on Wednesday, July 08, 2009 - 10:59 am: Edit Post

I feel a prediction coming on...

The most controversial thread I have seen in this chat, since I de-lurked in the spring of 2007, is the one speculating on Lysaer's eventual redemption, or lack thereof as part of the resolution of the main storyline, and the final defeat of Desh Thiere (which we know from the first page of Curse of the Mistwraith, as the Sages are looking from the 7th Age).

Therefore, I predict we see a lot of stuff happening with Lysaer, and his personal battle with the Curse.

Any takers?

   By Janny Wurts on Thursday, July 09, 2009 - 09:08 am: Edit Post

Still not titled, yet, but the text bits are rolling...

   By Mark Stephen Kominski on Friday, July 10, 2009 - 11:38 am: Edit Post

Once again, Clanny, I must ask, what ARE you doing in my head?! ;-)

I'd been doing a Curse re-read, and was going to speculate on how the Seventh Age Sages must have much better scrying skills than the Koriani, because they never (to-date, anyway, as far as we know!) receive spell-channeled backlash or iyat visits to their scrying stones (maybe they don't use 'em), and here you are upon my return from vacation with an SAS reference already posted.

Well, since "Seventh Age Sage" spelled backwards is "Wurts", I'm guessing we won't learn much more about your prediction (which I think is supported for a number of reasons) until yon Talespinner is good and ready!

*Capers off, singing a snippeting song...'A-snippeting we will go, a-snippeting we will go, high-ho it's time you know, a a-snippeting we will go...."*

   By Clansman on Friday, July 10, 2009 - 12:36 pm: Edit Post

What can I say? Great minds think alike!

   By Julie on Friday, July 10, 2009 - 01:06 pm: Edit Post

So how about another sneak peek?

   By Janny Wurts on Monday, July 13, 2009 - 01:41 pm: Edit Post

Putting the finishing touches on this chapter set - still not titled, yet, unusual for this stage, but it will happen very shortly. Haven't neglected the request, Clansman, (or kept you hanging deliberately, though sometimes, yes, I admit -- mea culpa!)

   By Janny Wurts on Thursday, July 16, 2009 - 01:02 pm: Edit Post

It's done. It's twenty four pages. It went through three retitles, till today's which stuck: Deadlock.

   By Mark Stephen Kominski on Saturday, July 18, 2009 - 07:06 pm: Edit Post

A title to a chapter is nice, Madam Talespinner, but part of a chapter might make the snippet clamoring abate, even if only for a minute or two....:-)

   By Janny Wurts on Tuesday, July 21, 2009 - 11:21 am: Edit Post

Title for subchapter Ten/next, (working title, could change...)
Three Questions, POSSIBLY followed by Recoveries.

The opening SENTENCE of this book is a have no IDEA how hard it is to isolate bits for sneak previews...!

Particularly now that the action heats up - it is evident the home stretch is here, and right on page count schedule - once this bit wraps, and the one liners fall in, Eleven Set Takes the Plunge.

   By Clansman on Tuesday, July 21, 2009 - 12:13 pm: Edit Post

I should restate my request. Though I am happy to have the title of a chapter, I was looking for the title of "one of the most controversial threads in this chat", which was due for "red hot upset" because of yon chapter set ten.

So which THREAD was it that is a) controversial and b) bound for red hot upset?

Or would that reveal too much?

   By Janny Wurts on Tuesday, July 21, 2009 - 01:15 pm: Edit Post

Keep Stewing...;)

   By Janny Wurts on Thursday, July 23, 2009 - 03:14 pm: Edit Post

The crude draft for the last bit of Ten Set is happening - it'll need a bit of smoothing out, came so fast to fruition. That's Good!

Because with the page count just past 750, I need to be able to see forward, about how many chapter/scenes left to closure.

Looking very good, actually.
A good sprint left before celebration, but this IS the sprint. Home stretch time, at Eleven Set...the Question remains: fifteen sets, eighteen sets? Sixteen??? Fourteen, perhaps? Make the odds, folks?

It's a jellybean contest: how may PAGES for the finished story draft (less glossary)?

Shortest: Fugitive Prince, and Warhost, which ended in the 700s. Longest, Peril's Gate, which climbed to 1200s, draft manuscript, uncut.

   By Chirogeoff on Thursday, July 23, 2009 - 05:26 pm: Edit Post

I'm hoping for 1550. I've always been guilty of wanting a little more ; ). Write on! I can taste those sweet jelly beans as I type.

   By Kirsten Laurelle Wallace on Thursday, July 23, 2009 - 05:35 pm: Edit Post

I vote for longer. The longer the book, the longer it takes me to read it and then the shorter I have to wait for the next one.

   By plutoplex on Thursday, July 23, 2009 - 07:17 pm: Edit Post

I'm with Chirogeoff and Kristen -- the longer it is, the more time it takes to read (and re-read and re-read)!

*Fingers crossed for record length*

   By Mark Stephen Kominski on Thursday, July 23, 2009 - 08:01 pm: Edit Post


Well now, if we include the omnibus Ships of Merior (containing Warhost), we end up with a combined draft manuscript somewhere around 17-1800 pages, don't we? I say try to break that derived record, and give your editor a devil of a time with any cuts! Of course, this means you'll be "sprinting" for longer than you've already run, but who's counting? Write on, mighty talespinner, write on! ;-)

*Contemplates a final version around 1400 pages with a dreamy grin*

   By Janny Wurts on Thursday, July 23, 2009 - 09:48 pm: Edit Post

Ships/Warhost combined was 1600 pages.

If I were to hand in anything that Long, it would be a horror, and my editors would tell me it was not printable.

As it is, the length of Stormed Fortress - the length of any of these books - has caused them to be troublesome to reprint - I get word all the time that costing them out for a return to press is - getting harder. One hopes that the return to the USA will make things easier in this regard.

Just another Thing That Has Changed since I started off with this huuuge project. I have not compromised on this factor (yet) and hope never to. My editors have not cut story for length, ever!

So, longer would Not Be Good...unless - brightens at the idea/possibility - it sells TONS OF NEW BOOKS!

Rest assured, the Story will not be compromised. It will be written to its proper length...but Bloat is to be avoided.

As it is, I hate to count how many times readers are Afraid to try a series for fear that it fattens and goes nowhere. This one will NOT pull that stunt. Hasn't and won't. ;)

   By Kirsten Laurelle Wallace on Friday, July 24, 2009 - 10:22 am: Edit Post

Yes, but all of us beggers for long books know that you won't just add filler for length. Therefore, we would love a longer book... if that was what this book called for. :-)

   By Clansman on Friday, July 24, 2009 - 12:13 pm: Edit Post

Okay, here's my prediction:

Sixteen sets. Manuscript page count: 1250 (excl. appendix, index, etc.)

And how 'bout that map of Dascen Elur???

   By Mark Stephen Kominski on Saturday, July 25, 2009 - 07:47 am: Edit Post

*Hands Clanny a fishbowl, with the odd floating spec here and there.*

Done! ;-)

   By Kirsten Laurelle Wallace on Saturday, July 25, 2009 - 11:48 am: Edit Post

I'm going to predict, once again excluding the appendix and what not, that it reaches 1347.

   By Technetus on Thursday, July 30, 2009 - 10:51 am: Edit Post

This is one of those series where prediction is so tricky, even speculating on the final page count is something I'd hesitate at. :-)

Regarding sales... Today I picked up the books I'd ordered in at the local bookstore: every WoLaS reprint from CotM through to PG, bar SoM, which is yet to arrive.

My copies of TK and SF were purchased new, but this has just replaced (nearly) all the second-handers; good for the stats, one hopes?

   By Janny Wurts on Thursday, July 30, 2009 - 12:13 pm: Edit Post

Technetus - past question, that's helping to fuel the stats - did your bookshop give any reason for why Ships was delayed?

   By Trys on Thursday, July 30, 2009 - 02:24 pm: Edit Post


I'm curious if those were all the re-issued editions (composite covers as opposed to the portrait covers). I've received Fugitive Prince from Amazon but no later volume is shipping yet.


   By Micheal on Friday, July 31, 2009 - 12:33 am: Edit Post

Konran and I bought a friend a copy of the reissue of curse for his birthday, and he bit hard! He's bought the rest of the reissues that have hit so far and is chomping at the bits for the rest of them.

   By Janny Wurts on Friday, July 31, 2009 - 07:47 am: Edit Post

Michael - that is superb news, keep the K/M "conspiracy" working!

(merits a search for an excerpt, it does!)

   By Technetus on Saturday, August 01, 2009 - 11:56 am: Edit Post

Janny: When I placed the order (they only had TK on the shelf, alas) their database listed Ships with a different status to the others. If I knew a bit more publishing/distribution terminology I might have remembered the terms used, but unfortunately it's since slipped my mind. The ones I picked up took less than a week to arrive.

Trys: I'm in Oz, I don't believe we ever got portrait covers. :-) I don't know what Amazon is doing; I tend to avoid buying online where possible.

All my new-purchase books have the same cover style, ala: hBritishReissue.jpg

The second-handers were in this style: hBritish.jpg

   By Trys on Saturday, August 01, 2009 - 01:42 pm: Edit Post


::smacking forehead:: If I had looked at your profile and I would've known you bought the British editions since you are located in Oz. I interpreted the word 'reprint' me to mean 'reissue'. :-)


   By Dan Henby on Sunday, August 02, 2009 - 07:35 am: Edit Post

Hi everyone. Jumping in with a prediction:
1125 pages. Which means that Janny is a little over two thirds finished. :-(
I'm about to get one of my friends hooked on the War, so we'll have another purchaser to fuel the stats. :-)

(by the way, just gotten back from two weeks holidays with the kids in western NSW, Oz. Lots of fun, but glad they're going to school tomorrow :-)


   By Janny Wurts on Sunday, August 02, 2009 - 08:03 am: Edit Post

I am MORE than 2/3rds finished, and if I hand anything near as long as you guys are suggesting, my editor would flay the manuscript. It would not be printable. :-)

Unless, of course, a staduim load of people decided to make a run on this series, today. (Oh, wouldn't that have em hopping, in the editor's office....what a FUN picture. :-) )

   By Kirsten Laurelle Wallace on Monday, August 03, 2009 - 04:12 pm: Edit Post

Ok, then I'll change my guess to 968. :-)

   By Mark Stephen Kominski on Tuesday, August 04, 2009 - 12:38 am: Edit Post

Oh, all right. The 1400 bubble was nice to dream about, though....

1001, and that's my final offer! ;-)

   By Brittani on Tuesday, August 04, 2009 - 12:48 am: Edit Post

I am going with just under 900 pages, lets say 887.

   By plutoplex on Tuesday, August 04, 2009 - 06:53 pm: Edit Post

With a page count "just past 750" ten days ago and "MORE than 2/3 finished" two days ago, I'll crack out the math for some guesstimation . . .

750 = 2/3 of 1125

And assuming MORE = "a lot more"

3/4 is more, but (I'm guessing) not MORE than 2/3. So I'll figure 4/5 done. 750 = 4/5 of 937.5

Because that's not a whole number and because my college programmed me to appreciate 47 as the number of greatest cosmic significance, I'm going to go with 947 pages.

   By Konran on Wednesday, August 05, 2009 - 11:59 am: Edit Post

856. Three lucky numbers. :D

   By Janny Wurts on Thursday, August 06, 2009 - 11:35 am: Edit Post

I will be writing page 775 of the draft, today...

   By Clansman on Thursday, August 06, 2009 - 01:20 pm: Edit Post

Okay, with predictions being revised left, right and center, here goes:

1056 pages, 14 chapter sets. And that's MY final offer!:-)

   By Dorothy on Thursday, August 06, 2009 - 06:33 pm: Edit Post

Another three lucky numbers for the collection-973 but it could be 937. Or not. And 15 sets or 13.I just don't know lol but at the end of the day, the longer, the better because we know the quality of your writing is never compromised, Janny. Looking forward to this book however long it takes : )

   By Janny Wurts on Monday, August 10, 2009 - 10:18 am: Edit Post

Well, the draft takes me to Torwent...and a tense situation...and a new's this for Tease - the Light's Supreme Commander of Armies ... a short, stout, big-headed egomaniac known to his troops as The Fist...

He's a first rate strategist, and a general of untouchable brilliance, which has earned him the temple's tolerant license, as a play-by-the book, mouth-the-prayers non-believer ... today, his shiny brass bubble gets shattered...

Can you wait for this book???

   By Neil on Monday, August 10, 2009 - 05:09 pm: Edit Post

I for one am looking forward to it very much :-)

Lanshire, Havish? The mortal enclaves have become victims perhaps then?

So at least one temple (only mentioned in the prologue so far?) got built too? Not ideal for the clans...

Tonight I've been rereading Arithon/Dakar on Kathtairr and Lysaer in Althain tower (in F.P.). Plenty of future visions in both scenes.

Janny. I'd like to ask (apologies that this is off topic): Why did the Fellowship send Arithon on a wild goose chase to Kathtairr? Were they too busy with star wards to have the full resources to protect him or was it purely to keep him away from Lysaer after Vastmark? Arithon mentions the F7 had "urgent reason".

   By Matt Wright on Monday, August 10, 2009 - 06:38 pm: Edit Post

"Can you wait for this book???"

In a word...NO!

This tease of a new character has got me really intrigued. I wonder who will be doing the the F7 involved?

   By Technetus on Wednesday, August 12, 2009 - 10:34 am: Edit Post

Word is my Ships copy has arrived at last. Must... go... collect... Then do the annual full series reread, but timed so it ends close to the IT shelf date. :-)

   By seljo on Wednesday, August 12, 2009 - 01:49 pm: Edit Post

If I say, "No," can I have the book, now?

Otherwise, that was an evil, Evil question.

   By thomas h. burch on Thursday, August 13, 2009 - 08:28 pm: Edit Post

hey all,
Been a while since i posted, but have been reading the posts. I have 2 questions. Janny please contribute if you can. First, now that the waystone has been changed, will Athera still be able to recognize it and stop it from creating changes?????? Second in Traitors know, when Dakar and the clan are going after Arithon and Elaira, there is a passage that got me thinking. You are writing about elaira and you state, "She, a queen in her own right, surveyed him." Was this a hint as to Elaira unknown lineage????

   By Janny Wurts on Friday, August 14, 2009 - 09:47 am: Edit Post

Well, Thomas, aren't you perceptive! For the first, you will have to keep reading to see.

For the second, I had to look up the passage to get the exact context. There was more than one 'layer' at play behind that line you picked out.

The first was energetic - this ENTIRE scene and its breaking demonstrates the active, connected matrix between a crown prince attuned to the land and his natural mate. So Elaira is standing in the queen's role as the feminine half of a matched balance.

There is another layer - which will emerge from its heretofore veiled references, and come into view in Arc and see.

   By thomas h. burch on Friday, August 14, 2009 - 09:54 pm: Edit Post

Thanks for the response.....can't wait to read the next book......are you done yet? :P

   By Jon Batchelor on Thursday, August 20, 2009 - 05:55 pm: Edit Post

I am pretty sure I already had an account here, but I can't find any way to track down my log-in information, so new account time.

Since I haven't seen a number posted yet, I will throw in a dangerous guess ... 1289. I don't know why that number speaks to me, but it does.

I can't begin to express how disgusted I am with publishers ... I have all the books in hard cover so far, so I want the rest that way, too. But no matter how I try, I cannot find a hardcover Stormed Fortress anywhere.

So I guess I break down and support the paperback rerelease in the US and buy that. At least I get to read it ... and maybe eventually it will somehow lead to a hardcover release.

   By Janny Wurts on Thursday, August 20, 2009 - 08:21 pm: Edit Post

Jon Batchelor - nice to see you back!
Yes, that is the hope - success will allow a comeback of the hardback.

thomas - not yet, but getting closer every day.

   By Mark Stephen Kominski on Saturday, August 22, 2009 - 01:12 pm: Edit Post

Jon B., I was able to get a hardback from UK SciFi Book Club last year thru Amazon UK. I needed a friend in London to order it though, as the seller wouldn't ship it across the pond to me here in the US. The good part: Hardbacks of Stormed Fortress do exist. The bad part: Finding one.....

(personally, I'm naively hoping the Tale Spinner will be able to pull some strings with her publisher, resulting in a select number of hardback copies for the remaining books set aside for her to sell to her addicts-I-mean-devoted-followers.... ;-) )

   By Janny Wurts on Saturday, August 22, 2009 - 04:48 pm: Edit Post

The good news: I'm officially into the 800s.

Hardbacks: need pull to sit the publisher up straight...pull = if the reissues here EXCEED EXPECTATIONS IN TIME - before Stormed Fortress hits the catalog (very soon now!!!) I can reopen the case and plead for it....but there needs to be backing, in hard form (numbers) because the economic whining going on has caused publishers to be EXCEEDINGLY CAUTIOUS.

They'd need a solid financial reason to go out on a limb and take the chance. Let's give it to them, eh?

The series is now out up to Fugitive Prince.
To Ride Hell's Chasm is out now, too (August).
All the series books are now available in an e book format (Waterstones reputedly has them) up to Traitor's Knot, which should be coming soon...

   By Mark Stephen Kominski on Sunday, August 23, 2009 - 11:30 am: Edit Post

*Sheepishly grins*

Believe it or not, I neither own nor have read To Ride Hell's Chasm yet.

*Ducks the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune, or at least outraged Wurts fans*

Possibly an opportune time to purchase it, no? ;-)

Clanny's been on me about it for months....

Ignorant Question Time (one could argue this is always the case with me!): Does direct from the publisher count for more than picking it up from a retailer, or is a sale a sale?

   By Janny Wurts on Sunday, August 23, 2009 - 01:13 pm: Edit Post

A sale is a sale...

Direct from the publisher gains them the best profit....from any retailer, provides jobs, and also, causes the computer numbers to reflect demand, so a retailer is motivated to stock, or if it's a chain, it could help put a book on autoreorder.

If Amazon, there are internal rankings, etc, so any sale is a GOOD sale if it is bought new from a legitimate outlet.

Independents are good, too, they keep Mom and Pop business going.

If a sale is "used" - Ex library, E-bay, charity shop, etc - those help somebody but they do NOT count as a "direct number" in the publisher's pocket. This goes for Overstock sale, book swaps, mooches, etc - but those also can become valuable IF the reader falls in love with the book and recommends like crazy to their friends, or posts in public on forums or rates the book highly on book sites.

   By Glenn Morano on Sunday, August 23, 2009 - 07:58 pm: Edit Post

Hi Janny,
Been a long time reader of this series, from the day it came out. I fell in love with everything about the books. I even almost named my first child Elaira.

I was just wondering if the release date I saw on Amazon was true or not?

You have an amazing talent, and I can't wait to read more.

   By Janny Wurts on Monday, August 24, 2009 - 10:09 am: Edit Post

Hi Glen Morano - welcome here!

Initiate's Trial is getting finished - I am converging the threads for the finish, now. I'd not trust a "posted" release date if you saw November this year - a book takes AT LEAST eight months in production. Once I finish the draft, I have to polish and turn in the final - this can take four months. Production cannot begin until the finalized manuscript is accepted, turned in, at the publisher's. Once that occurs, I will announce a release date HERE.

Thank you for your enthusiasm and your note. Rest assured, I am working as diligently fast as I may to achieve a sequel that delivers the quality you've come to expect.

   By Janny Wurts on Monday, August 24, 2009 - 04:19 pm: Edit Post

Yay - closure on this chapter's draft, at last. Now to touch up a few of the middle bits and move ahead.

   By Kirsten Laurelle Wallace on Monday, August 24, 2009 - 11:14 pm: Edit Post

John, this was several years back and I don't know where you live, but I've been able to find copies of Janny's books in the bookstores selling only overstock books. That's how I got my hardback copy of Stormed Fortress. Maybe you should look in some of those places instead of the mainstream bookstores.

Good luck!

   By Joy on Tuesday, August 25, 2009 - 05:37 am: Edit Post

Definitely time to begin the annual re-read.

A cozy evening with friends the other night and we got to discussing books after dinner; they are close friends and know of my passion for WoLaS... but it was only in talking about the books (again!) that I came to realise how far back this adventure began.... these books have been part of my life for over a decade!!

Thank you once again Janny - you have enriched many lives with your talent.

Can't wait for IT!!!!

   By Mark Stephen Kominski on Tuesday, August 25, 2009 - 07:59 pm: Edit Post

A sale is a sale, hmmm?

Almost picked up To Ride this evening at Barnes and Noble, but wanted to see the reply first. I am happy to report that B&N (sub-urban Maryland, just outside D.C.) has brand spanking new paperbacks of TRHC, Ships of Merior and Warhost of Vastmark prominently on display in the SF section....

Did pick up Flowers for Algernon for eldest child...

   By Janny Wurts on Wednesday, August 26, 2009 - 09:12 am: Edit Post

Joy - nice to see you back here! And thanks.

Yes, a sale is a sale, and soonest is best. :-)
I really appreciate the update. Hopefully Mistwraith had sold on, and was in re-order cycle. If people notice that Mistwraith is consistently NOT on the shelves with its sequels, do post. I'd like to know how well the series is being supported.

   By Tankred Bras-de-Fer on Sunday, August 30, 2009 - 11:07 am: Edit Post

According to Amazon UK, they have a date of 26 Nov 2009 as I just looked at it today!

According to Janny, the book is not even done yet.

Maybe sometime in late 2010?


   By Julie on Monday, September 14, 2009 - 11:52 am: Edit Post


It is so quite here I think we need a sneak peek to revive the conversation!

   By Sandtiger on Saturday, September 19, 2009 - 03:23 pm: Edit Post

Well - I am happy to report that the new releases of Janny's books (finally) showed up in Toronto.

For a long time there was not a sniff of even a single book, and now they are taking up an entire row. Most have been very well displayed, with a lot of face-out placement. Very eye catching compared to other books on the shelves.

   By Janny Wurts on Monday, September 21, 2009 - 11:17 am: Edit Post

Thanks for the report on Canada - I'm just back in from a long trip/weekend event.

   By Sandtiger on Tuesday, September 22, 2009 - 04:00 pm: Edit Post

No worries. I have been biding my time waiting to go tell a judge that they shouldn't make me do jury duty for 2 months...because I have plans.

Nothing like sitting for 2 days while waiting my turn. ::laugh:: And I still have to go back tomorrow.

The worst of it is that I would be happy to do jury duty .... any other time than when I am supposed to be writing for three months! ::laugh::

On the plus side - only SIX work days left until my Leave of Absence.

   By Kirsten Laurelle Wallace on Wednesday, September 23, 2009 - 08:50 am: Edit Post

Good luck. Hope it works out. :-)

   By Sandtiger on Wednesday, September 23, 2009 - 09:14 pm: Edit Post

Thanks Kirsten!

It did - They picked the last juror with only two people before I would have had to go in for questioning.

Whew. This is a relief, since I've been holding off on finalizing travel plans while waiting for this to end.

Now I can finalize my plans (i.e., Austin from Oct. 20-26th, and Honolulu from Nov. 1 - Nov. 30th).

Jana ::Who figures this is just all a big ploy to make me realise how lucky I am to be able take three months off to write...Not that I didn't already know this.::

   By Kirsten Laurelle Wallace on Thursday, September 24, 2009 - 04:27 pm: Edit Post

That's wonderful! I'm so glad it all worked out.

   By Mark Stephen Kominski on Thursday, September 24, 2009 - 10:49 pm: Edit Post

Wow, Sandtiger, a month in Hawaii. Spent a week there on my honeymoon, and it's like being on another planet..enjoy that big long month!

Remember, Hawaii has the internet, too...!;-)

   By Sandtiger on Friday, September 25, 2009 - 10:51 am: Edit Post

::grin:: Thanks Mark.

And definitely. I feel like I will now have three months to catch up on all the stuff I've missed the past year as work's been nuts. I love it, but I am looking forward to the break from it.

   By Mark Stephen Kominski on Saturday, September 26, 2009 - 05:32 am: Edit Post

All right, it's WAY too quiet in here. Methinks we need an update on our fearless Talespinner's progress (not that she's obliged or such, we're just nosy!). Oh, and then there's the snippet thing (no, this won't go away, I'm afraid); perhaps if we sang the request in four-part harmony...

*Tacks up a sign-up sheet with four columns, labeled soprano, alto, tenor, bass*

Come on, then. Sign-up, and we'll see if a melodious (liberties taken and assumptions abound, here!) request succeeds where cajoling and ranting have failed.

*Turns back to the list and adds his name*

Tenor: Mark

   By Kirsten Laurelle Wallace on Saturday, September 26, 2009 - 12:35 pm: Edit Post

Alto: Kirsten
I could even write the music, although I'm sure Janny wouldn't want to hear any of us singing. At least not me. :-)

"Cmaj - dminor - Fmaj - Gmaj - Cmaj" could be our chords. Someone else will have to write the lyrics. See Janny, it's even in a happy C major key.

   By Kirsten Laurelle Wallace on Saturday, September 26, 2009 - 12:39 pm: Edit Post

Sorry guys. My progression is slighty wrong.
It should be: Cmaj - Fmaj - dmin - Gmaj - Cmaj.

   By Brittani on Sunday, September 27, 2009 - 12:22 am: Edit Post

Alto: Brittani

I don't mind singing, I am actually not half bad!

Besides when you get a bunch of people to all sing the same thing it just sounds funny, but not bad. Just think of Christmas time, half the drunk people singing Rudolf the Rednose Reindeer at the top of their lungs...that is funny stuff!

   By Mark Stephen Kominski on Sunday, September 27, 2009 - 09:36 am: Edit Post

That's why we're going for parts here, Brittani. Hopefully, we're saved by the fact that it's too early in the year for egg nog....

   By Janny Wurts on Sunday, September 27, 2009 - 01:34 pm: Edit Post

Hey you madcap singers - please do NOT rush Christmas season!!! I have a certain DRAFT I have to finish up before that sort of madness rips into the schedule.

   By Mark Stephen Kominski on Sunday, September 27, 2009 - 02:41 pm: Edit Post

Nope. Not rushing Christmas. Gonna sing you a Halloween Carol, instead! ;-)

   By Brittani on Sunday, September 27, 2009 - 09:13 pm: Edit Post

I think you should write the lyrics for this song Mark, I really liked your 'A Snippeting We Will Go" song, you did back in July. Which was styled beautifully after Disney's Seven Dwarves singing "Off to Work We Go"

Very Impressive

   By Clansman on Monday, September 28, 2009 - 07:38 am: Edit Post

I thought Mark's song was done after the "A-hunting we will go! A-hunting we will go! High Ho! the Merrio! A-hunting (snippeting) we will go!"

I probably got most of that wrong, but, it is a folk song, after all.

*in a clear, unwavering tenor (because Mark forgot to list a baritone (I always end up with tenor anyway))*


*chorus answers*


*all together now*

Hi Ho! Hi Ho! It's a-snippeting we go!

*chorus whistles (those that can)*

Hi Ho! Hi Ho, Hi Ho, Hi Ho...

   By Mark Stephen Kominski on Tuesday, September 29, 2009 - 12:42 am: Edit Post

Presumptuous is the one that would lay down lyrics on the Talespinner's doorstep, Brittani, but maybe something will come to mind...will have to be about Initiate's Trial, or the Gryphon will give this discussion the boot, like as not! :-(

Hey, Gryphons have strong voices.... :D

Let's see, we have two altos (Kirsten and Brittani) and two tenors (Clanny, and yours truly) so far. Clanny's right; a baritone would fit in nicely. And where are all you sopranos and basses hiding? ;-)

   By Trys on Tuesday, September 29, 2009 - 05:09 am: Edit Post

I could probably manage bass.

   By Clansman on Tuesday, September 29, 2009 - 07:37 am: Edit Post

Presumptuous, am I??? Well, in for a penny, in for a pound:

"Gryphon sings bass,
Clanny sings tenor,
Brittani and Mark
Join right in there...

Let the (focus) Circle (at Sanpashir)
Be unbroken
By and by, Lord
By and by.

   By Joy on Tuesday, September 29, 2009 - 08:13 am: Edit Post

I'll help out and add soprano :-)

   By Walt on Tuesday, September 29, 2009 - 09:30 am: Edit Post

Well, I prefer high Tenor, but my range is pretty good, so if no one else pops in, I could do the baritone or second tenor part... heck... I could even do the bass or alto...

Just don't let my group know! (Valley Choral Society in Sacramento, CA) Exclusive and all don't 'cha know... *lols*

   By Dan Henby on Wednesday, September 30, 2009 - 07:50 am: Edit Post

I'm more of a bass than a tenor. So I'll throw my weight in.

   By Konran on Wednesday, September 30, 2009 - 05:47 pm: Edit Post

Add me in in the soprano section :D

   By Mark Stephen Kominski on Wednesday, September 30, 2009 - 09:11 pm: Edit Post

Wow. Get busy at work for a couple of days and there's a veritable choir to return to. Let's see now:

Bass: Trys, Dan
Tenor: Clanny, Mark
Baritone: Walt
Alto: Kirsten and Brittani
Soprano: Konran (you asked for it!), Joy

When Walt gets the itch to go multi-dimensional, he can lead the Choir, too. ;-)

Anyone else?

   By Janny Wurts on Thursday, October 01, 2009 - 10:19 am: Edit Post

I want to know who's going to volunteer to play the lyranthe?

   By Walt on Thursday, October 01, 2009 - 10:29 am: Edit Post

Good thing I didn't pack my baton in the big move to Utah...

Okay, here's our first practice: "Oh Janny Dear," sung to the toon of "Danny Boy"
Okay choir, on the upbeat of two... One... two...

Our Spinstress Dear!
Yer fans, they are a callin’
From glade to glen and ‘cross the wave tossed sea…
The seasons turn and all yer fans are dyin’
To read the next sneak peek we’ll get from thee…
So ride on back from horsing ‘cross the meadow
And find a snippet worthy for our gaze…
And we’ll be awed while brain cells burst asunder…
Oh Janny dear, Oh Janny dear, we’re here to stay.

But when you’re done…
And all the pages type-éd,
We’ll gladly help to proof the finished draft….
Then cheer ye on midst paints and canvas vying
To see the finished cover art you craft.
And we’ll all rise and toast the muses’ off’rings…
And marvel at the story’s twists and turns…
We’ll read all night forsaking worldly yearnings
Until we rest repleated from marvelous things we learn…

Oh Janny dear… oh Janny dear…
We love ya…. So!

   By Mark Stephen Kominski on Thursday, October 01, 2009 - 10:56 pm: Edit Post

I think we need to go over the parts, Walt; Clanny got inspired at the thought of a toast and left to see if he could find a bottle of Traquier Ale for the purpose...;-)

And Danny Boy is good, but I'm not sure it will work with Kirsten's chords...

Alas, my Talespinner, I am but accomplished on 12 strings, and wouldn't know what to do with the extra. Then there's the matter of needing more fingers...

   By Walt on Friday, October 02, 2009 - 09:27 am: Edit Post

Drat... forgot about the chord restriction... hmmm... I'll just have to come up with something unique! Maybe a short snippet of our favorite Masterbard would provide inspiration. [The maestro glances askance at the Spinstress-in-chief]

   By Janny Wurts on Friday, October 02, 2009 - 09:53 am: Edit Post

The chords, at a glance, looked to match the Final Trawl...a Scottish fishermens' protest at their condition, when they drove their own boats onto the reefs before seeing them go to the wreckers.

The 2 lowest courses on the Lyranthe, Mark, are drone strings, and require no fingering. That leaves five courses for the fretboard.

I got a big laugh and a smile on the lyrics guys!!!

Let me take a look (I do keep saying that, but this thing called writing the next bit gets in the way. Aren't you GLAD I do not watch football???)

Here's some hints from past volumes to charge you up, meantime: a quote of Lady Maenalle's. A mayhem scene in Havish. A mystery in the map. A banished grimward...well, I could go on, but that should occupy you for a little bit.

   By Joy on Friday, October 02, 2009 - 10:04 am: Edit Post

Arrghh!! Just finished a re-read of the series to date and am already chomping at the bit for the next installment.... VERY glad you don't watch football Janny! :-):-)

   By Clansman on Friday, October 02, 2009 - 10:25 am: Edit Post

Well, the biggest "mystery in the map" that I can think of is that big space smack-dab in the middle that defies my attempts to click on it in the interactive map section of this site. Someone speculated that is where humanity's space ships are located, or that is where the Paravians are, etc.

The banished grimward is easy, as Sheshy (no Mark, I do not attempt to spell her name anymore) took care of that in SF. I did wonder what would happen with the lands freed from being a grimward, and if other grimwards might face the same fate at the, uhhh, hands (?) of Sheshy.

Have to head back to CotMW or SoM/WoV to see about Maenalle.

And Havish's mayhem. Something to do with our Mad Prophet's indiscretions? SoM?

   By Trys on Friday, October 02, 2009 - 04:44 pm: Edit Post

::laughs maniacally at the thought of someone clicking hopelessly on the interactive map:: <grin>

   By Technetus on Saturday, October 03, 2009 - 01:25 am: Edit Post

I do recall Maenalle saying there was unlikely to be any cure for Etarra short of razing it to the ground...

...however, that particular approach was applied to Avenor already. *shiftyeye*

   By Mark Stephen Kominski on Saturday, October 03, 2009 - 10:46 am: Edit Post

Have to admit, comments like "banished grimward" and "other grimwards might face the same fate" (not to mention one overly-righteous dragon whose name gives Clanny fits) fill me with a certain degree of dread...

   By Neil on Sunday, October 04, 2009 - 05:30 pm: Edit Post

I also found the "Etarra" quote from Tysan's cathdein (CotM)...Dakar *did* see a new city being built in a vision as well (FP?).

I noted this time around in a brief reread of an Althain Tower passage in GC that Cianor's sceptre has some bronze dragons that prophesize. Why would a paravian need prophesy? They seem less constrained by time / the physical?

   By Hunter on Monday, October 05, 2009 - 01:54 am: Edit Post

not to be pedantic but was the grimward in Scarpdale "banished" or did Seshkrozchiel unMake the unpaired drake who sourced that haunt?

   By Mark Stephen Kominski on Monday, October 05, 2009 - 04:02 pm: Edit Post

I think the latter, but it amounts to much the same thing, doesn't it? At least as far as as the Grimward's concerned....

   By Janny Wurts on Friday, October 09, 2009 - 10:15 am: Edit Post


Oh, that feeling - when you spend DAYS fussing with the current chapter, aware this is the book that kicks off an Arc, and by gosh, it better had Set All the Pieces Precisely....when the whole danged ROOM seems buried in spread sheets and notes and lists of what has to converge....and lo, all the bits are in to ping the first domino in the row...but which domino: which direction to start that cascade that will conflagrate the convergence set up?

That wonderful moment, you just wake up in the morning, scribbling NOTES - as the dots all connect.


Now you know what I'm DOING, and it isn't (yet) trolling for previews. The meat of the matter is finishing this book in the manner that trumps expectations.

As an aside: I've also been holding my breath, after petitioning ONE MORE TIME for a hardback issue of Stormed Fortress...response still pending. I am dearly hoping to get a thumbs up, and at last see this issue happily resolved!

   By Mark Stephen Kominski on Friday, October 09, 2009 - 11:39 pm: Edit Post

*Petulant display follows, probably best ignored*

Repeat after me:

Initiate's Trial = hardback
Initiate's Trial = hardback
Initiate's Trial = hardback

*Petulant display ends*

Congrats on a milestone of sorts...

*Wonders how the trumps from Amber got into Athera, anyway... ;)*

   By Brad Saenz on Sunday, October 11, 2009 - 04:36 pm: Edit Post


Has there been a decision on a hardback for Initiate's Trial yet?


   By Janny Wurts on Sunday, October 11, 2009 - 04:56 pm: Edit Post

Brad - the hardback bid in question is for Stormed Fortress's US release. That is still in the air.

I should think the decision would have bearing on what happens with Initiate's Trial (fingers crossed!)

   By Dan Henby on Monday, October 12, 2009 - 01:11 am: Edit Post

Janny, sounds promising. Looking forward to catching a preview :-) and a HARDCOVER of IT.

   By Dan Henby on Friday, October 23, 2009 - 11:08 pm: Edit Post

(throws a rock into the forum)
Hello? Geez its quiet in here! Time for a guessing competition. How many manuscript pages is Janny up to?

My guess is 893. I'm not exactly sure what prize is on offer, other than the glory of being right.


   By Janny Wurts on Saturday, October 24, 2009 - 09:39 am: Edit Post

Status: page count (manuscript) 835, currently 11 chapter sets. I expect the finish in 3 more sets....let's see if I can bring it in! Could take 4, but I doubt it can fit into two.

   By Kevin Lenth on Saturday, October 24, 2009 - 10:32 am: Edit Post

Go Janny go! Write like the wind (if it could write)!

   By Mark Stephen Kominski on Saturday, October 24, 2009 - 04:13 pm: Edit Post

*Pulls the shades on Janny's studio, bars the door, posts the "No Solicitations" sign next to the driveway and snips the phone (But not power!) lines. Mails coupons to Don for "free art supplies", and sends animals to the sitters.*

There. No distractions...hey! Leave that big screen alone..;)

Go Janny go, go Janny go....

   By Omar Sakr on Saturday, October 24, 2009 - 09:44 pm: Edit Post

Ooh, you're nearly finished! Awesome! I'm glad I popped by the site now. I've been reading this series since...I was a child, really. In year 7 I began...I'm about to graduate from university now, so it's accompanied me the whole way through :p

Not that I wanted it to mind, dear god, the wait is agonizing.

Can't wait much longer!

   By plutoplex on Sunday, October 25, 2009 - 09:41 am: Edit Post

Wow, you're almost done!

Can't wait . . . can't wait . . . can't wait . . .

   By Christopher Beckett on Sunday, October 25, 2009 - 01:43 pm: Edit Post

zoiks. Not been on in a while, glad to see things continue apace.
The Waterstones website tells me I can expect to have the book in my grubby little paws in a little over a month?

I suspect this is a lie as while doubtless Janny culd finish the book this week, editorial process, print run & worldwide distribution takes more than 3 weeks.

Oh, to hell with mere mortal logic, the Paravians will dance a jig and make it happen...


   By Nikki Hayes on Sunday, October 25, 2009 - 02:34 pm: Edit Post

Hi, I've just joined the forum - as a result of seeing the pre-order listing on Amazon for the new book. Imagine how gutted I was on reading through the posts and finding out that the book is barely finished, lol! I've read all the series so far - I was lucky enough to discover the series after Peril's Gate had been published so I've only had to wait for TK and SF. I initially borrowed the books from the library but, having read them all at least twice (SF 4/5 times to date!), I am currently in the process of buying the series (one at a time as funds are not plentiful) from Amazon (have put some on Wishlist for hubby for Christmas).

I wasn't completely sure after finishing SF whether the story would continue or not - the current situation was tied up but obviously the back story (not sure that is the correct term, but...) was not. Still, that doesn't stop some authors from leaving the rest to one's imagination.

Not sure what the problems are with getting copies of the various books (in the UK at least) either hardback or paperback - although I plan to collect the paperbacks personally. Has there ever been a hardback copy of SF anywhere in the world? If so, it should be available somewhere and that is what the internet is particularly useful for. Buying online may not suit everyone but I personally have not managed to find anywhere better than Amazon for price and reliability of delivery - in the UK at least they are offering free super saver delivery on anything at the moment (no £5 min).

Anyway, I think thats quite long enough for a first post (I tend to type whilst I think and can do both pretty fast, lol). I look forward to reading the forum, and hopefully getting some email updates about when the new installment is published (wish Amazon wouldn't list pre-orders so soon, especially with no date - no idea where December came from).

   By Janny Wurts on Sunday, October 25, 2009 - 03:24 pm: Edit Post

Welcome here, Nikki Hayes! Always grand to see a new face, and a brand new reader.

And grand to see the old ones, too, I thought this place has been way too quiet (I've the perfect excuse, busy completing the manuscript.)

For all the teeth gnashing over the Amazon error (we are not seeing publication in nov 09!), there ARE several sneak previews up, here.

I've been immersed in a forum discussion for the standalone title, To Ride Hell's Chasm, five more days or so of that left on GoodReads.

To update the record - the hardcover decision for the US release is still in the air....I continue to hope for a positive word on that as I begin Ch Set 12.

Please, people, if you are posting reviews of Stormed Fortress about, DO indicate that the volume only closes Arc III - that there will be 3 more volumes forthcoming in the series to bring in the actual finish. I hate when erroneous info gets out there - I'm not known for sloppy endings. grin.

   By Omar Sakr on Monday, October 26, 2009 - 12:36 am: Edit Post

Just on TRHC - can I just say it's one of my favourite stand-alone series of all time? It's actually quite phenomenal. And such a fantastic achievement - there aren't too many standalone fantasy novels of quality out there; it's so hard to condense an entire world, history, culture, etc and interweave it with a potent storyline but you did it all!

Is there any chance you'll continue Mykkael's story? Or write a prequel detailing some of his past encounters/campaigns? He's such an awesome character.

   By Clansman on Monday, October 26, 2009 - 07:37 am: Edit Post

Mark, I thank you for using the proper term "solicitations" instead of the common "solicitors".

I am barred from more places than you know. I always thought it would be funny to put a "No Solicitors" sign on my own front door.

Three chapter sets from the end! Or so. I'd take four...

   By Janny Wurts on Monday, October 26, 2009 - 10:07 am: Edit Post

Omar Sakr - thank you so much! Puts a sweet smile on my face, knowing you're a happy reader.

I have no plans for a prequel to Hell's Chasm mainly because you'd know the ending! I've got two more Light and Shadows books to finish before I think about other projects.

Although, before the contract was signed for that, I did have 3 chapters of a different standalone in progress. I'd really like to get back to that one!

And the unfinished Athera short work, lying in pieces around here...and artwork...gotta finish this novel, OK? grin.

Three or four chapter sets, it must get done to hold the pub date that has been tentatively set.

   By Nikki Hayes on Monday, October 26, 2009 - 01:37 pm: Edit Post

Thanks for the welcome Janny, don't often see authors posting on their forums, unfortunately, although presumably pressures of work....

I noticed someone (sorry not scrolling that far back to find out, lol) had not read To Ride Hells Chasm. This is an excellent standalone book - I read it part way through reading the WoLaS series. Go buy it - now!

   By Christopher Beckett on Monday, October 26, 2009 - 01:50 pm: Edit Post

I'll weigh in that 'To Ride Hell's Chasm' is easily one of my favourite fantasy stand-alone novels, although the one closest to my heart was 'the Master of Whitestorm' as a long time ago it introduced me to the work of a certain author I think we all adore very much.

Oh, and Janny - if we are not seeing publication this year, then why do Waterstone's tease me so - see here... /6811568/

..if it's not coming, then that is just MEAN.

Not to rush you, take your time, get it to your pleasing. The Wars of Light & Shadow are not an endeavour for those seeking speedy resolution and immediate answers, we can wait...


...not to say we LIKE waiting, but for you we will.

   By Clansman on Monday, October 26, 2009 - 03:21 pm: Edit Post do they know it is 544 pages, when there are at least 3 Chapter Sets to be written, not to mention a conversion from manuscript to book format.

   By Mark Stephen Kominski on Tuesday, October 27, 2009 - 03:04 am: Edit Post

Same way that Amazon.UK knows it will be available in November, Clanny; Professor Trelawney reads their tea leaves....

   By Omar Sakr on Tuesday, October 27, 2009 - 07:05 am: Edit Post

Hey, JW,

It makes me smile to know I made you smile - see how that could be a self-perpetuating cycle? Let's keep it going - I see I called it a stand-alone series at one point there, haha, for which I want to smack myself. To say the book made me happy is an understatement however; whenever I'm upset I end up going back to it, which is odd, since it almost always brings me to tears haha.

But yes, keep on with the chapters! For the record though, I don't think knowing the end necessarily kills interest - in fact, it can make it all the more suspenseful; the end is inevitable and inexorable and the how of it all becomes the focus of interest. Seriously, how can anyone not want to read about Mykkael?!

   By Janny Wurts on Tuesday, October 27, 2009 - 11:03 am: Edit Post

Well, you know, Omar, if I ever did write another, it would take the very interesting LOOSE END and take the story FORWARD....but no plans are in the works at the moment.

Hell's Chasm wrote with such impetus, and such a sweet run of inspiration - I hope it gives a lot of readers joy. I had a blast writing it, no question.

   By Clansman on Tuesday, October 27, 2009 - 02:38 pm: Edit Post

Mark, that Professor Trelawney bit had me chuckling!

   By Christopher Beckett on Wednesday, October 28, 2009 - 07:14 am: Edit Post

Clansman, that is what confuses me. They give us a release date and a page count (but tellingly, no cover art)and then our beloved Janny tells us she's not done writing yet.

Someone is fibbing, and given that is surely in defiance of the Law of Major Balance, I'd bet it's Waterstones...

Let's set Davien and Sesh...ziel (doesn't have time to check spelling, you know who I mean) on them...

   By Dan Henby on Wednesday, October 28, 2009 - 07:23 am: Edit Post

Hey everyone! 3 or 4 chapter sets is awesome. Can't wait to get my hot little hands on this one. I know its a year away, but getting these tidbits is awesome.

I'll head to bed. All the best,

   By Janny Wurts on Saturday, October 31, 2009 - 12:09 pm: Edit Post

Dakar's contemplating a spirit walk - does that sound appropriate for Halloween?

   By Mark Stephen Kominski on Sunday, November 01, 2009 - 10:02 pm: Edit Post

Hmmm, I guess we'll be saying goodbye to Dakar, then. He can't find his posterior with both hands on a good day; how the HECK is he going to find his way back to his corporeal self from a spirit walk? Unless, of course, you're referring to his normal state of walking while under the influence of spirits...;)

*Load groaning noises heard off-stage*

   By Hunter on Sunday, November 01, 2009 - 11:19 pm: Edit Post

Jieret had the courage to spirit walk to find Arithon, one can only hope that Dakar has sufficiently advanced in the years since Stormed Fortress to handle this properly. One wonders whether this will trigger prescience??

Would be interesting to know (rhetorical question of course) whether he's planning on sitting on the edge of a road somewhere to do this or somewhere rather more secured and monitored like Althain Tower under proper Fellowship auspices? Or indeed who he is going spirit walking to find? Kharadmon lost somewhere? Asandir trapped by the Koriathain as part of his response to Selidie's call? Or indeed whether he's come full circle to go and save Lysaer from something?

Isn't Halloween supposed to be when the spirits come walking amongst the living rather than the other way around? I could imagine Dakar going from door to door begging for candy.. (and alcohol!).

   By Tankred Bras-de-Fer on Monday, November 02, 2009 - 09:03 am: Edit Post

So when is Initiate's Trial supposed to be available? I get such confusing information from outlets (Amazon, B&N, etc.)

Is it going to be released in the UK first like Stormed Fortress?

   By Janny Wurts on Monday, November 02, 2009 - 09:40 am: Edit Post

Tankred Bras-de-Fer - welcome here.

The relase dates listed anywhere at this point are totally wrong.

There IS a tentative release date agreed upon between me and my editor - and that will become final when I turn in the manuscript.

The plan is to get the US schedule caught up, so that when Intiate's Trial releases, the timing will be simultaneous.

Since I am nearing the end of the draft, now, things should proceed pretty smoothly. I won't put an actual date up, UNTIL I know it is final. Too many people fix on dates that can change, sometimes way beyond my control (publishers shift their schedules a lot, until books are actually in production). Too much angst and rage results when this happens, and it's counterproductive for me to deal with that.

As soon as the book is in production, I'll give out the date.

I am in the mid 800s in manuscript page count - and within (hopefully) 3 chapter sets of the final page. That should tell you how close.

   By Kirsten Laurelle Wallace on Monday, November 02, 2009 - 09:55 am: Edit Post

With the whole spirit world mixing with the real world on Halloween, I'd think a spirit walk would be more dangerous then. Maybe Dakar should put it off until the next night? :-)

   By motley on Monday, November 09, 2009 - 06:49 pm: Edit Post

a quick look in to see when the next book's due, and I see a new title has been added to the arc.
Happy writing. :-)

   By Tankred Bras-de-Fer on Wednesday, November 18, 2009 - 09:55 am: Edit Post

Thanks Janny!

I have actually posted before and decided to delurk just to see how things are shaping up. Seems things are well in hand!

One question though, do you control if your books get transformed into an e-book format or is that up to the publisher?

I am thinking about getting an e-book reader like the Kindle, Nook, or the fabled Apple Tablet (because I am such a techie) and I would love to get your latest book in such a format when it comes out.

Thanks for all your work!


   By Janny Wurts on Wednesday, November 18, 2009 - 04:12 pm: Edit Post

Tankred - things are progressing (she's slightly cross eyed from a complex and scary scene that will bring goosebumps!) Things are well in hand - I can see how the finale is heading up to a nice bang, with the convergencies falling in a neat row, now.

The later volumes of the series are available NOW in e book and Kindle format (yes, this includes Stormed Fortress). The earlier books are in the line up to be done. They are likely to crop up without my knowledge - I sold the rights to HarperCollins UK and they are doing a very good job with the formatting...only the series and To Ride Hell's Chasm are in this deal. If you find the first volumes, yell, I'd like to know if they are out.

Hell's Chasm is available now in both formats.

I would imagine the publisher will issue for all the formats that are worthwhile - eventually. The more demand, the faster the books get shifted into form. You can write to the publisher asking, that speeds the effort, apparently, as they know they have eager customers.

   By Janny Wurts on Friday, November 27, 2009 - 11:43 am: Edit Post

Ok, I'm loaded for bear to finish out the ending of 12 main, today, if I can...I am really sorry, in a wicked sort of way, that I cannot reveal much of this book...too many surprises would be utterly spoiled.

But it makes it so HARD to see you beg, and worse hard, for me, waiting for the Big Bang when you get to see what's going down on these pages, here.

Suck it up...?

I hope you can, past the Thanksgiving bloat. I hope you all had a great holiday.

   By Dan Henby on Saturday, November 28, 2009 - 03:31 am: Edit Post

Well, today was my boy's first birthday, so although this is good news to me, I doubt it will have much impact on Josiah. :-)
Does this mean only two more sets until you've finished the draft, Janny? Because that would be good news. :-)

Take care, write well, and come downunder for a signing.


   By Lisa on Saturday, November 28, 2009 - 07:42 am: Edit Post

I second that request for a downunder visit :-)

   By Janny Wurts on Saturday, November 28, 2009 - 09:30 am: Edit Post

Dan, ideally, yes. We'll see.

On a down under signing - I'd leap for it!

And yes, I pushed 12 main to the end of the draft, yesterday.

   By Kirsten Laurelle Wallace on Sunday, November 29, 2009 - 04:04 pm: Edit Post

I had a surprisingly easy thanksgiving. I hope everyone else's went just as well. Good luck with the continued writing, Janny!

   By Janny Wurts on Monday, November 30, 2009 - 11:03 am: Edit Post

Another gorgeous day in paradise - the dew on the flowers, this am, was just magical - colors all rich and glowing. I'm off to Athera - a dozen pages left to edit, for clarity, then the draft chapter's off to test.

AWK - three days till the keys and Pirate Fest! There will be cannon, beer, piping, and music, and bawdy jokes, till the wee hours...and sailing!!! (and ye laptop, to keep the ending bits warm)

   By Alistair Clark on Wednesday, December 02, 2009 - 06:56 pm: Edit Post

Hello, I'm new here :-)

I got rather excited after seeing that this was going to be released Nov 26th (UK).

It still says it is being released Nov 26th, 09, and that I should pre-order.


Anyway good luck and I can't wait for the next book, already started re-reading in anticipation for the release! Will probably have to re-read again, unless i read a page a day :P

   By Janny Wurts on Wednesday, December 02, 2009 - 11:48 pm: Edit Post

Alistair Clark - welcome here!
The good news is, I'm 840 pages along, and very near the end of the draft.

   By Alistair Clark on Thursday, December 03, 2009 - 05:58 pm: Edit Post

Wonderful news!

Can't wait until the release!

Will be buying two copies, as both me and my mum want to read it first!

   By Paige Madison on Saturday, December 05, 2009 - 11:43 am: Edit Post

I'm new here, but I just wanted to say that I absolutely adore Wars of Light and Shadow. I was first introduced to your work through your collaboration with Raymond Feist. I've been extremely impressed with size and scope of this work. It is a truly epic series. I can't wait to see how all it comes out! I'm glad to hear that the new book's draft is almost done. Look forward to participating in the community here.

   By Janny Wurts on Tuesday, December 08, 2009 - 11:37 am: Edit Post

Hi Paige Madison - welcome here!
Thanks for taking the time to drop by and leave such a sweet note - delighted to have you, it's a great bunch.

   By Claire Elliott on Monday, December 14, 2009 - 05:42 pm: Edit Post

Hi!! its my first time writing in a forum so here goes. i just want to add my adoration for the WoLaS! thank you to raymond.e feist, a secondhand bookshop n peril's gate!! from then i was hooked and hav read the whole series so far. it was hard work tryin to collect them all as i couldn't get hold of them. but i finally have a set, hooray!
i can't wait for initiate's trial as i am dying to know what happens next. i am reli annoyed that booksellers are preempting the release! y do they do that? all i can say is that i'm glad i found this forum!
happy writing Janny n i look forward to reading initiate's trial!

   By Janny Wurts on Monday, December 14, 2009 - 08:13 pm: Edit Post

Hi Claire Elliott - welcome here - do I presume you began with Peril's Gate, and backtracked through the start of the series?

You'll be pleased to know I made great progress on the draft for Initiate's Trial, today - another little bit closer to the finish, looming soon.

Nice you found us!

   By Maigrey Morianna on Tuesday, December 15, 2009 - 08:23 pm: Edit Post

Having lurked around for years I have finally gotten the nerve to write -- because I absolutely had to express my gratitude and admiration for the series, and most especially the magnificent Stormed Fortress. So here's a deep bow to Lady Janny and great hopes for the Initiate's Trial, which I can't wait to read!

Now off to lurk :-)

   By Dan Henby on Wednesday, December 16, 2009 - 06:25 pm: Edit Post

Janny, always nice to know when you make great progress. I'm thinking that I know what would be a great Christmas present for us all...draft finished! (although I suspect that's pushing it a bit).

Here's hoping that when IT gets published the bookstores make the same "error" they did with Ray's latest book this week, and release it two weeks early. :-)

   By Janny Wurts on Thursday, December 17, 2009 - 10:48 am: Edit Post

Hi Maigrey Morianna - welcome to de-lurk! Thanks for your lovely words.

And Dan Henby - I am at the desk every single day. The party will be soon, I hope.

   By Janny Wurts on Friday, December 18, 2009 - 11:02 am: Edit Post

I am setting up to finish subchapter 12a today - ah, There Will Be Surprises....NEVER give up on a character - grin.

I am pretty happy - some stuff's moving into play, and I hope to have a delightful announcement in early January.

   By Janny Wurts on Friday, December 18, 2009 - 05:29 pm: Edit Post

Nailed it!!! The cats think I'm daft, jumping about and crowing...they had their brag, yesterday, and left a mole on the bedroom floor, dead...we thought THEY were daft...their turn.

Draft page count is 893.
Beer time!

Anybody rushing out to see Avatar? (we plan to succumb...have to buy catfood, anyhow, so we'll make that Friday dinner and movie.)

   By Nikki Hayes on Saturday, December 19, 2009 - 12:22 am: Edit Post

Groan, I thought when I read the "Nailed it!" post that you had finished the draft until I saw the post just above. I blame Amazon for getting everyone excited miles too early.

My husband and I are defintely planning to see Avatar - we have a fairly new cinema in Bristol with a 3D screening room (which we haven't visited yet) as I've heard the film is not quite as good in 2D. We are going to leave it until after Christmas though as we are very busy as the moment, me with preparations and my husband with present shopping - I tried to get him to start back in October like I do but he won't be told and then moans about the crowds in December! From the trailers I've seen Avatar looks really good and it apparently uses ground breaking CGI technology (Cameron is usually good for that sort of thing).

Anyway, good luck with completing the book and have a nice Christmas Janny and all on the forum.

   By Trys on Saturday, December 19, 2009 - 12:22 pm: Edit Post

Nikki, I saw on TV that Cameron spent the last 10 years developing the technology to use to make this movie... perhaps that's why we haven't seen a movie from him since Titanic (not counting a number of documentaries he made).

   By Mark Stephen Kominski on Saturday, December 19, 2009 - 02:11 pm: Edit Post

*Returns to post after long absence*

Cheers, folks. Happy to see the progress, Madame Talespinner. Avatar looks enticing; am trying to lure the young'uns with the 3D possibilities...

   By Janny Wurts on Saturday, December 19, 2009 - 05:08 pm: Edit Post

Your presence has definitely been missed, Mark Stephen Kominski - great to see you back in action.

   By Laneth Sffarlenn on Saturday, December 19, 2009 - 06:39 pm: Edit Post

Just saw Avatar last night in 3D, and definitely recommed it for the visual feast and depth of characters and local history - the story was waaaay too cliche for me, but it was just so well done you forget your discomfort at the predictable plot.

   By plutoplex on Saturday, December 19, 2009 - 08:26 pm: Edit Post

I agree with Laneth Sffarlenn - Avatar's (3D) visuals were fabulous. The plot wasn't particularly imaginative, but the world Cameron built made up for it.

   By Dan Henby on Sunday, December 20, 2009 - 09:59 pm: Edit Post

Janny, How do you celebrate the end of a book, if the end of a subchapter set sets the cats thinking you've lost it? ;)

Great news. And I figured you were at your desk enough. When you post that you're finished, I'll slowly begin reading the Wars again, to be up to date with publishing. :-) :-)

   By Janny Wurts on Sunday, December 20, 2009 - 10:06 pm: Edit Post

Dan Henby - the end of a novel means I cook DON breakfast....grin.

How's that for daft?

I have a bit to go, yet, but it's definitely just a bit....the next two sets are the explosive ones.

   By Kirsten Laurelle Wallace on Monday, December 21, 2009 - 09:58 am: Edit Post

Avatar was very enjoyable. You should go see it.
Congrats on the finished subchapter. Hopefully your cats won't bring you another mole in retaliation. :-)

   By Janny Wurts on Monday, December 21, 2009 - 11:39 am: Edit Post

Kirsten Laurelle Wallace - they probably won't - indoor cats have a tough time hunting wildlife - they're stuck with what gets into the pool area...I have no idea how the mole got in...this was a first. Usually the battables are lizards, and they get turned loose again, unharmed.

   By Janny Wurts on Monday, December 28, 2009 - 07:19 pm: Edit Post

Tipping point!

I've got the current sub-chapter up to the hot spot take-off - it will be fully drafted in the next day or so. Then, the wild burn of the actual finale!

About time...draft page count today stands at 902. Very fat. Very very wondering how many pages left to finish, already knowing there must be a meltdown to get this to a reasonable length....

   By Laura A Harvey on Tuesday, December 29, 2009 - 04:13 am: Edit Post

i have been watching these boards for a while now and finally decided to say hello. i am twisted into words that i dream of every night. by ath, waiting for the next book is not easy, but i can only hope it comes out before my mind gives way to senility and forgotten dreams fall off the byway and into the abyss of coffee sledge! i love your books Janny!

   By Alistair Clark on Tuesday, December 29, 2009 - 06:02 am: Edit Post

Why have a meltdown :-(

I would gladly read however many pages you care to write :D

   By Janny Wurts on Tuesday, December 29, 2009 - 10:30 am: Edit Post

Hi Laura A Harvey - welcome here! Great to have your presence known, and another friend at Paravia.

Alistair Clark - the problem isn't your enthusiasm, it's the publisher's ability to meet a bottom line. I am told, again and again, that the costs of huge books are harder to meet - that is the latest stall in the way of a hardback issue for Stormed Fortress. When the numbers stop working with enough margin, the books stop happening.

I will happily write huge books - as long as readers keep growing in proportion to the costs, which are not standing still.

Great to hear your enthusiasm - it is true, though, the drafts always need a meltdown to bring them to final form. So no worries, truly.

   By Technetus on Tuesday, December 29, 2009 - 10:33 am: Edit Post

So would we all. But how many pages is the publisher prepared to print...?

(This poster is Still Alive. Edit: And has been post-ninja'd. :-))

   By Janny Wurts on Thursday, December 31, 2009 - 01:02 pm: Edit Post

Gunning for a chapter set finish before the old year rings out - eleven hours from now...let's see if I can do it.

Technetus - they say, shorter the better. No MATTER what, these books cannot be short. I'd have liked to have finished this one fifty pages ago...if it breaks a thousand, I will do all in my power to melt it down a hundred pages - which often happens, anyway. More than that can get very difficult, because usually all the action and set is in place. Scenes do not get cut. Just wordage trim, everywhere I can do it without losing impact.

   By Janny Wurts on Thursday, December 31, 2009 - 08:07 pm: Edit Post

Well, it is now nearly 8:10, here. I've pushed the scene I was started on very very near to finish - what will make or break the finish, or kill the goal - IS this the final scene in the chapter, or do I need one more?

More teeth gnashing and pace the rug - perhaps a little music practice....

Whether I make the closing bit or not, it's a Good writing last-day-of-the year, quite nice progress so far! See what further madness develops from here...Don came home with a bottle of bubbly and we have the fire pan out for a bonfire under the the turn of they year itself will be a cozy event with the two of us.

Have a Happy New Year, all!

   By Trys on Friday, January 01, 2010 - 07:54 am: Edit Post

Happy 2010!!!

   By Janny Wurts on Friday, January 01, 2010 - 06:21 pm: Edit Post

Happy New Year to all and a wave of gratitude to the gryphon.

Chapter status: nailed it! Just the one liners to do tomorrow, then it's looking at the start of 13.

   By plutoplex on Friday, January 01, 2010 - 09:18 pm: Edit Post

So there's only one chapter set left to go? Hooray!

And Happy New Year!

   By Janny Wurts on Saturday, January 02, 2010 - 01:01 pm: Edit Post

Likely two. It's a dual whammy. Did you expect any less?

   By Brian Rowe on Saturday, January 02, 2010 - 11:29 pm: Edit Post

Hi New to this group Have admired your work in the books that I have been able to acquire Was very glad to find that "Stormed Fortress' was not THE END but that the story contiues Will wait somewhat impatiently for the next volume to reach Australia

   By Janny Wurts on Sunday, January 03, 2010 - 03:04 pm: Edit Post

Hi Brian Rowe - welcome here - Loved my one visit to your country!

Thanks for the nice words, as I plunge into the finale for this volume.

   By Hunter on Sunday, January 03, 2010 - 09:12 pm: Edit Post

Must be time for another visit then Janny.. :-)

   By Kirsten Laurelle Wallace on Monday, January 04, 2010 - 02:10 pm: Edit Post

Happy belated new year everyone! Can't wait for the book to be finished, Janny. :-)

   By Clansman on Monday, January 04, 2010 - 03:32 pm: Edit Post

Happy New Year (can't really be belated, as it's still here for another 361 days! :-))

Something tells me that Initiate's Trial will knock more than our socks off. The pace of writing certainly has been brisk (especially compared to a certain football-loving, gaming-addicted and claiming-that-90%-of-the-book-was-written-at-the-end-of-the-latest-book-that-was -published-over-four-years-ago epic fantasy writer (who can remain nameless)).

Thanks for working so hard, Janny. I am sure I speak for all of us in voicing appreciation for your efforts, and better still, the results of those efforts.

best. books. ever.

   By Janny Wurts on Monday, January 04, 2010 - 08:48 pm: Edit Post

Ah, well, I do not game, I do not watch football, and I sit down and work just about every single day. Still hate how long it takes to get one of these monsters finished.

I am currently messing with the closing chapters - because the one liners for this bit before the final explosions MUST connect and set forward, close out, or directly unveil for the next volume. The intricacy of the endings has gotten tougher because everything counts, forward and backwards. grin.

I appreciate the encouragement, and, Hunter, I'd leap to revisit Australia, you know that!

   By Mark Stephen Kominski on Friday, January 08, 2010 - 07:42 am: Edit Post

*Tries to picture the Talespinner leaping like the Incredible Hulk across the Pacific, but can't quite manage it....*

Don't forget sideways...everything tends to count sideways, too, even if in lateral fashion...:D

Now that 13's under wraps, might there be an updated page count? And even though it's not likely forthcoming, it wouldn't be one of my posts without a Snippet request....

*ducks quickly*

   By Janny Wurts on Friday, January 08, 2010 - 10:54 am: Edit Post

Set 13 is in loose notes, building to which scene I want to USE - I "see" the formation of several scenes - but they are not the one that will work. The scene I need will reflect all the others and consolidate the action around characters you care about - so all the other scenes are implied. I have the kickoff point - TAXES must be completed, today, and then I can dig in to the wordsmithing.

Page count of the draft manuscript - you can have that at any time - grin. 915

Snippet - must wait. I have no second to look back through the pages to see what could be mined out...I will have a careful look in the meltdown to submission copy, some of which is happening in off hours, now.

   By Mark Stephen Kominski on Saturday, January 09, 2010 - 08:07 am: Edit Post

Ah, to be that happy fly on the wall of the recycle bin where scenes that "are not the one that will work" get relegated.....whose only worry is to avoid the swatter whilst reading a plethora of alternative Atheran events that only exist in the sanctums of Ath's adepts (or perhaps in the tienelle-scryings).

Or perhaps this fly is virtual, and has to flit between discarded versions within the archives of the Wurts-Maitz home network? Either way, there's doubtless some fine reading there, if a bit unfinished....


*sighs in resignation*

By the way, a web search (left defaultedly unspecific in its parameters) on tienelle brings up "Trienelle", a manufacturer of Women's Skin Care products, and causing me to have some difficulty keeping a straight face (ha ha!) when thinking about Dakar's various encounters with the herb now....:D

   By Janny Wurts on Sunday, January 10, 2010 - 10:38 am: Edit Post

Mark Stephen Kominsky - are you volunteering to be the mad archivist? ;)

   By Janny Wurts on Sunday, January 10, 2010 - 11:11 pm: Edit Post

Um, I do not play football, but...

No writing done that day, but, freezing wind, thirties, blowing rain IN SW FLORIDA! but our band won the competition anyway!

Back on the chapter today.

   By plutoplex on Monday, January 11, 2010 - 07:29 am: Edit Post


   By Mark Stephen Kominski on Monday, January 11, 2010 - 11:57 pm: Edit Post

I can think of many worse things than to be the mad Wurtsian Archivist, good Talespinner! ;-)

And my congrats on the winning the competition, too.

   By Janny Wurts on Tuesday, January 12, 2010 - 10:25 am: Edit Post

Thanks, both of you - you'll be pleased to know the writing is moving along fine to provide the rip roaring finish I'm striking for.

   By Alistair Clark on Tuesday, January 12, 2010 - 06:50 pm: Edit Post

Well I very much enjoyed that!

   By Mark Timmony on Wednesday, January 13, 2010 - 01:01 am: Edit Post

Nice to see you're working hard Janny.

I am looking forward to hassling HarperCollins for a manuscript when you're done :-)

   By Janny Wurts on Wednesday, January 13, 2010 - 10:02 am: Edit Post

Alistair Clark - welcome here! So did we, despite the chill. If you want more, visit the COSPB website (City of Sarasota Pipe Band) - there's a very short section of video - look up particularly the Carnival Reel, a calypso reel done with a Caribbean steel band (supplied by our local high school). I think that's on youtube someplace, too.

Mark - getting there!

   By wayne harper on Thursday, January 14, 2010 - 05:36 pm: Edit Post

Hello im new here just thought i'd pop in and say i've just rediscovered the series after a gap of a few years and i'm happy i found them again and i have bought the new books. keep up the good work seems like a lot of nice people on this boards as well which is great.

   By Janny Wurts on Thursday, January 14, 2010 - 07:12 pm: Edit Post

Hi wayne harper - welcome here, and delighted you are back to pick up where things left off! No better moment to get back on board, with all the titles reissuing!

April will bring Traitor's Knot and Stormed Fortress, at least, that's what's posted on Amazon.

It's a great crowd, here, and looking forward to seeing you about!