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Janny Wurts Chat Area: The Cycle of Fire - General Discussion: General Info
   By Trys on Wednesday, September 22, 2010 - 10:10 am: Edit Post

The messages from the Cycle of Fire sub-topic in Otehr Books and Short Stories have been moved here.

   By Harold Wilson on Sunday, April 12, 2009 - 04:59 pm: Edit Post


Is there any way I can get a larger copy of the Map from the Cycle of Fire books. The paperback just don't do it justice. I'm more than willing to pay for it.


   By John Hulet on Sunday, April 12, 2009 - 09:52 pm: Edit Post

That would make a great piece of art to put on a wall.

   By Janny Wurts on Monday, April 13, 2009 - 08:37 am: Edit Post

Hi Harold -

I'll have to see - the drawing is too large to scan. It would require a digital photograph, then clean that up for printing. Time's a bit at a premium, at the moment. I have no idea what to charge! You are the first request for this...

How big would you want it?

The actual map is (at least) 25" or more wide.

   By Harold Wilson on Tuesday, April 14, 2009 - 06:10 pm: Edit Post


It would be great if you can just copy the one you have at say Office depot and I will pay you for the copy and shipping. If you can't find time then I will live without it. You most likely have alot of thing on your plate.

P.S. I love your books. I'm re-reading the Cycle of Fire as the last time I read it was close to 20 years ago. I have been reading the Light and Dark series since 1993 when I found it at the local book store. I can't wait to get my hands on the next book.

Thank you for the response as I didn't think you would have time to visit the chat area very offen.

Harold Wilson

   By Nikki Hayes on Monday, October 26, 2009 - 01:41 pm: Edit Post

Have just bought and read Stormwarden, and am ordering Keeper of the Keys tomorrow (payday!). I have ordered book 3 from the library initially, as someone said to make sure you have the third one on hand after reading the second as apparently there is a cliffhanger (tut tut, lol!)

Although very different in tone from WoLaS, I really enjoyed the first book and am looking forward to reading the others.

   By Janny Wurts on Wednesday, October 28, 2009 - 12:11 pm: Edit Post

Nikki Hayes - it was NOT my idea to make a trilogy of this story - the publisher insisted. I had to take a full year to revamp it into two books, and give it the best split point I could.

Nice to see you enjoying this story!

   By Michael Richard Nankervis 3 on Sunday, November 15, 2009 - 12:40 am: Edit Post

Janny, I have just read all 3 COF books in less than two weeks. I couldn't put them down when I picked them up (The quote on the book proved true). I was using a School Library version and all 3 books were in it. It was nice to see something different from most Fantasy books.

I am an amateur writer of Fantasy, and when I read your books, I got inspired to write something. I just don't know what yet. When I finished Shadowfane, I started wondering about what happens to Taen and Jaric. I know they end up getting married, but I want to know more. I like it when books get me thinking like that. I'd write a Fan Fic about the subject, but being a teenager, I'm not sure of the boundaries of copyrights.

Anyway, your writing is amazing, and COF is one of my favorite trilogies.

   By Janny Wurts on Tuesday, November 17, 2009 - 12:56 pm: Edit Post

Hi Michael Richard Nankervis 3 - thanks for your lovely note.

If you are interested in writing, best thing to do is visit the TIPS section on this website, and follow it.

Copyright does not allow me to "permit" fan fiction - even if I didn't have the idea and outline for a book to follow this series (which I do, hope one day to write it). But you know, you have a story in you that is yours only - and that is the gift you have to offer the world. Learn how to write and share that with everyone, would be my suggestion to you. As a teenager you have all the time to gain life experience and reading is the best way to acquire language skills.

Your enthusiasm is so wonderful to see! I hope you feel welcome to visit the chat here, anytime.

   By Nikki Hayes on Tuesday, November 17, 2009 - 10:41 pm: Edit Post

Well I finished the trilogy yesterday and I really enjoyed it, although I would agree with you Janny that two books would have been sufficient to contain the story - by modern fantasy standards these are seriously short! I love nothing better than a REALLY long fantasy tale, 10-12 thick books is great - waiting for them to be published is less great.

I plan to re-read the books in a couple of weeks - I am a very fast reader (could have read the 3 in one day if I'd tried, lol) and like to have a re-read having already finished the story to see if I can pick up clues I missed the first time as to what will eventually happen. All the books I buy (as opposed to borrow) are books I will want to read several times, I don't see the point in wasting my money otherwise.

Still, although I really enjoyed the books, WoLaS is more to my taste in both length and writing style (I got used to slightly quirky writing styles reading Steven Erikson and tend to prefer it these days).

Looking forward to the next WoLaS book - even if Amazon have been a bit previous with the listing, lol!

   By Janny Wurts on Wednesday, November 18, 2009 - 09:04 am: Edit Post

Hi Nikki Hayes, welcome here, too!

Cycle of Fire was written so long ago (and been out of print for awhile too) it's amazing to see people still reading it. It's not nearly so complex a story as the longer series - and was written far earlier on in my writing career. I wish it were still available, now, because it was aimed for a different slice of readership.

Nice to see you've gone on with the big series - the draft for Initiate's Trial is in its final stages.

short fantasies are really popular with publishers right now, as with the short reprint runs, shorter books do better for their books. I appreciate your continued support of the series for this reason - some stories do not fit in tight spaces! And Wars of Light and Shadows could in no way be done, short.

I was wondering if you'd found the standalone, To Ride Hell's Chasm, yet?

Thanks for checking in, both of you - there is nothing better than happy readers to brighten the start of my writing day.

   By Hellcat on Saturday, April 03, 2010 - 03:43 am: Edit Post

I think I'm converting my boyfriend to Wurtz Worship as well, He's now halfway through Keeper Of The Keys.


   By Janny Wurts on Friday, April 09, 2010 - 01:46 pm: Edit Post

Wonderful news, thanks Hellcat!

   By Rob Kerr on Tuesday, November 23, 2010 - 06:39 am: Edit Post

Hi Janny,

I read the Cycle of Fire at university, and I remember being delighted and astonished when you responded to an email of mine at the time, answering questions about the trilogy and the WoLaS.

At the time, I had wondered if you ever intended to return to the world of CoF, and you mentioned that, while you had tentative plans for a sequel novel to the trilogy (working title 'Starhope' IIRC), you wouldn't be writing much else while involved with the WoLaS -- which I completely understand :-) My question now, then, is, in the course of writing WoLaS, you must have had lots of ideas for further novels, trilogies, series, that you've had to set aside. Do you know what you'll be tackling after WoLaS is finally done? Will you return to some of your previous worlds, or are you more drawn to newer ideas? Are any of the plans you have spin-offs from WoLaS?

Finally, thanks once again for your work, and your contact with your fans.

   By Janny Wurts on Tuesday, November 23, 2010 - 10:43 am: Edit Post

Hi Rob, how delightful to hear back from you!

Oh, yes! definitely I have plans for other projects after Wars of Light and Shadow. In fact, I made a list of them about a month back, and it numbered 14 books (oh my!)

This was done as a frustration pastiche - that the polish on Initiate's Trial is nearly done...but I want it off, now, and there's a bit to go, yet.

That I DID indulge in one little stand alone, To Ride Hell's Chasm, and it (sometimes) infuriated series readers (how dare I!) As far as Athera spin-offs, well - this depends of course on what happens when the series is all done. I do have SHORT fiction ideas in play already; some are written or in progress.

So: first the last two volumes of the series get finished; then we see where we stand, but here is the range of things I have in mind to choose from:

The List:

A second short story collection. (material mostly written)

A maritime fantasy novel, standalone (3 chapters written, very FUN, wanna do it next)

Starhope is still on there (may the audio book do well enough to spur interest in that series/full outline/first scene complete)

First Contact SF - Athera (no title, just concept, first scene and rough ideas)

A crossover book that would span 2 worlds: Earth, another, and faerie realm. (opening scene done/outlined)

A fantasy duology.
(very detailed outline)

A stand alone fantasy with a concept never seen.
(opening scenes written, crude outline)

Another stand alone fantasy novel with a concept never seen. (opening scene written, very crude outline, still under idea construction)

Another stand alone fantasy novel with a legendary sorta feel. (opening scene written/this would be short, maybe YA)

Atheran Compendium - artwork and shorts.
(Hah! Nuff said.)

Three thrillers that take place on a race track/here and now. (chapters written/research required, likely a collaboration)


Though an author ought never to say NEVER - :-)

   By Annette on Wednesday, November 24, 2010 - 06:01 am: Edit Post

Would love an Atheran Compendium, especially with lots of artwork. :-)

   By Colm Furey on Tuesday, November 30, 2010 - 08:04 pm: Edit Post

I definitely want to see a follow up to the Cycle of Fire stuff which were great books. That earlier thread reminds me that i have an unread copy of To Ride Hell's Chasm lying about, must dig it out!

   By Janny Wurts on Wednesday, December 01, 2010 - 11:44 am: Edit Post

Welcome here, Colm Furey!

Yes, grin, dig it out - !!!

   By Colm Furey on Thursday, December 02, 2010 - 06:29 pm: Edit Post

I will do, just finishing off Stormed Fortress!

   By Janny Wurts on Monday, December 06, 2010 - 08:50 pm: Edit Post

Great - hope you'll feel free to wake up the discussion for Stormed Fortress when you get done.

   By Sorwen on Thursday, December 09, 2010 - 04:58 pm: Edit Post

I have to say I really enjoyed The Cycle of Fire with Shadowfane being the best part. I brush it off every so often and read it again. I agree with Colm Furey that something more there would be welcome.

   By Janny Wurts on Friday, December 10, 2010 - 01:00 pm: Edit Post

Welcome here Sorwen - Have to finish off the big series, first; after that, I'd like nothing better than to sign for a sequel, certainly it is planned out.

   By damianpeake on Monday, January 10, 2011 - 08:00 am: Edit Post

Janny, please never say never. Whilst epic fantasy is (i would expect), enourmously time consuming and difficult to market it is also the illiad of fantasy writing. (Who is Homer without the Illiad and Odyssey), The readers like me love the epic. You manage to create a story and world that is interesting and captivating. Yours stories are unique in a world ehere other writers and probably publishers seems to blantantly fill a story to maximise profit.

   By Janny Wurts on Monday, January 10, 2011 - 07:59 pm: Edit Post

damianpeake - welcome here. And thanks for the extremely nice words.

I hope the US relaunch pans out, does well, and that I have lots of options to choose from! I am betting on quality for the long haul.

   By Nichole Edwards on Saturday, January 15, 2011 - 01:24 pm: Edit Post

I must say I believe this is my favorite story - the characters are packed with believable flaws that make them all the more appealing, the issues they face more than just black-and-white in morality, and the storyline itself flows along without lull or being rushed.

I was excited to see this was release in audiobook, and now I wonder if we'll be able to see it in ebook format anytime soon. There are quite a few of your books that I would love to be able to place on my Kindle, but I think this would be the crown jewel.

   By Janny Wurts on Sunday, January 16, 2011 - 12:58 pm: Edit Post

Hi Nichole, at this time, only a few of the series books, and To Ride Hell's Chasm are available for Kindle.

I hope this changes shortly - stay tuned.

   By Trys on Sunday, January 16, 2011 - 01:51 pm: Edit Post

As an FYI the entire WoLaS series is available on Kindle in the UK.

   By Annette on Sunday, January 16, 2011 - 09:31 pm: Edit Post

Not that I have a Kindle but would not mind digital versions for my PC, so I can search the books easier. The sample seemed to download fine from Amazon. I could not see a Kindle version of Ships of Merior though. :-(

   By Trys on Monday, January 17, 2011 - 06:14 am: Edit Post


The link at for Ships of Merior Kindle is: ie=UTF8&s=digital-text&qid=1295262723&sr=8-1

There is also Kindle software for the PC (Windows) so you don't really need a Kindle to buy Kindle e-books.

   By Annette on Monday, January 17, 2011 - 06:52 am: Edit Post

Thanks Trys, I must be blind, could not see it before. It has appeared on the American Amazon site now as well but they have not added the price yet. Australia should get their own store, then I would know where to buy from. I am still getting used to the software on the PC, only downloaded it today, will try it out a bit more before buying any books.

Edit - Actually the UK site does not want to know me, I am American it seems.

   By Trys on Monday, January 17, 2011 - 09:59 am: Edit Post

Annette, I suspect the UK site will only allow Kindle downloads to UK citizens. As an Aussie you should inquire to verify this.

Several of the books appear on without a price... I've contacting the publisher as a customer to try to get this resolved.

   By Annette on Monday, January 17, 2011 - 06:02 pm: Edit Post

The UK site comes up as soon as I log in and tells me Kindle downloads are UK only. The American site only tells me Kindle books are not available for customers from Australia for the one book without a price. I can download the sample pages for the priced books so presumably it will let me download the books when I buy them. I was a bit worried since my PC is old, no high tech Wi-Fi stuff here. And lots of aussies seem to have been doing very strange things in order to get their Kindle books from the American site.

   By Jarrod on Sunday, July 10, 2011 - 09:27 am: Edit Post

I have just reread the Cycle of Fire trilogy for the umpteenth time, and I have to say it is still one of my favourite worlds to revisit. I have wondered since the late eighties, however, what happens after they go forth to free the rest of humanity enslaved on other worlds...

Please write another book or two about this; it's been a long time coming ;)

   By Janny Wurts on Sunday, July 10, 2011 - 05:35 pm: Edit Post

Hi Jarrod - there is one planned, it's getting the time and publisher interest to do it. :-)

Welcome here and thanks for your interest and enthusiasm.

   By Matthew Ewer on Friday, July 22, 2011 - 01:27 am: Edit Post

Oh, huzzah! Good to know that's in the plan, anyway. I read the Cycle of Fire Trilogy quite a few years ago, and I spent rather a while on several occasions trying to find out where I could get the conclusion. :-) Anything we all can do to help attract publisher interest or anything? Shall we go riot in the streets? XD

   By Janny Wurts on Friday, July 22, 2011 - 06:36 pm: Edit Post

Matthew Ewer - welcome here!

I would think serendipity would need to strike. :-)
The other possibility - if the audio edition just released from Audible Books caught on in a big way, there would be some definite momentum - that would indicate a readership/might propel the whole series back into print, With the sequel idea attached.

For anyone wanting to 'check out' the audio edition with David Thorpe - the website here has a 'free download' of the first chapter.

The 3 books in audio form can be found either at Audible's sites, or in the itunes store.

   By Hanzkaz on Monday, March 26, 2012 - 08:02 am: Edit Post

I was wondering if you were still interested in writing 'Starhope', and if you are, would it still be a one book story?

   By Janny Wurts on Monday, March 26, 2012 - 10:06 am: Edit Post

Hi Hanzkaz, welcome here - yes, and definitely yes. That one book would finish out all of the ideas.

   By Darren Hoshek on Tuesday, May 15, 2012 - 06:23 pm: Edit Post

I'll put my hat in the ring for Starhope as well. though I'm hoping it's a looong book. Loved reading a cycle of fire back in the days.

That bent of nostalgia is going to make me trawl through my library of books to read them again me thinks.

   By Janny Wurts on Tuesday, May 15, 2012 - 08:09 pm: Edit Post

Hi Darren Hoshek, welcome here - did you check out the audio sample chapter of Stormwarden? David Thorpe did a fantastic job narrating.

Thanks for dropping by. Consider your vote for Starhope among those counted.

   By Amanda Bourque on Thursday, October 11, 2012 - 02:37 am: Edit Post

I've read the CoF series at least 4 or 5 times since I first found it about 15 years ago...In fact I just finished the last one again about 15 minutes ago and decided to see if there would ever be another one. How excited I am to see the possiblity of Starhope! It's always sad to end a good series, especially when you become so attatched to the characters. Hopefully one day Starhope will be written and I can visit that world again! :D

   By Janny Wurts on Thursday, October 11, 2012 - 07:58 am: Edit Post

Hi Amanda - welcome here! So pleased to hear from you, and yes, the chance to do that last volume would be Very Cool.

   By Clansman on Tuesday, November 06, 2012 - 02:11 pm: Edit Post

I just finished a re-read of CoF. I really had forgotten how bloody good this series was. While not as deep as WoLaS, CoF still gives you a real 'FEEL' for the world in which it is set, and of the differences in the various characters. I hadn't read it since the late 1980s or early 1990s (don't remember which, but it was before CotMW).

Like Amanda, I want to see Starhope. The ending of Shadowfane seemed akin to a WoLaS ending: typically great resting place, but more story remains to be told. I would love to see how Jaric and Taen and the Vaere train others to cope with a multiple Sathid bond, and take the battle to the Morrigierj off world. Another few books, perhaps?

   By Mark Stephen Kominski on Wednesday, November 07, 2012 - 10:11 pm: Edit Post

You can add my vote for Starhope, also. Stormwarden was my introduction to your wonderful stuff, and I too would love to see what else you had in store. Just think, the off world Morrigierj prove too strong, the planet is decimated, becoming a bleak, mistly place eventually renamed as Marak.... ;-)

   By Janny Wurts on Thursday, November 08, 2012 - 10:00 am: Edit Post

Heh, nope. Grin.

The Light and Shadows bit of the universe is not connected with Cycle of link at all between the stories.

   By Mark Stephen Kominski on Sunday, November 11, 2012 - 11:37 pm: Edit Post

It was worth a try. Anyone who's read Marvel comics for any appreciable period of time is classically conditioned *bell rings* to look for the crossover. Hope all is well with you, Good Talespinner.

   By Janny Wurts on Monday, November 12, 2012 - 05:02 pm: Edit Post

Definitely good with me - see update in the status thread.

   By Annabelle Bok Xin Yi on Friday, October 17, 2014 - 02:06 am: Edit Post

Hi! Am new to this corner of the web. :-)

Just thought to mention that Stormwarden was the very first book by Janny that I picked up, back in the late 1990s I then spent weeks hunting down the other two books in public libraries. After that, I would've read ANYTHING you wrote. :-)

   By BillBob on Thursday, January 14, 2016 - 12:30 pm: Edit Post

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   By Janny Wurts on Saturday, January 16, 2016 - 12:27 pm: Edit Post

Wow, how cool is that?

Thanks for the heads up!!!!

   By Taleia on Wednesday, December 06, 2017 - 01:29 am: Edit Post

Hi, I was wondering if there are any plans to release Cycle of Fire as ebooks?

It was one of the first fantasy series' I read and I have a much loved paperback set, but I'm moving overseas soon and won't be able to take them with me.

I just found the audiobooks on Audible which gave me hope there were ebooks out there somewhere, but if there are I've failed to find them.

Thanks for your help.

   By Auna on Wednesday, December 06, 2017 - 08:50 am: Edit Post

I'll second wishing for ebook versions.

   By Janny Wurts on Wednesday, December 06, 2017 - 10:21 am: Edit Post

Hi Taleia,

The immediate plan for the series has fallen through/at work on replacing it STAT.

I make an announcement ASAP when I have the arrangements.

Thanks so much for your query - it matters.

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