Who would you cast?

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   By Dawnlyn on Monday, August 02, 2004 - 02:49 pm: Edit Post

Okay, I'm new, just found all this. In fact, I've only just now finished reading Peril's Gate and came rummaging around looking for someone to talk to about it.
Found this thread and here I go:
My gut reaction is to vote Orlando Bloom to play Arithon. At this point, as I write, I've now seen Orlando continue to evolve as an actor and he's showing some real potential for the kind of angst that Arithon would demand.
He may be just a bit tall, but he has the lean physical frame and grace to do this well.(All that Elf practice)
But, then again, I can certainly see the allure of Johnny Depp here too. Mainly because he's proven his ability to pull some amazing aspects out of a character and I'd be truly curious to see what he would do as Arithon.
Johnny also has the requisite lean body, but he may be just a squidge too old for Arithon.
I would also vote for Paul Walker as Lysaer. He possesses just the sort of amazing blond masculine beauty that would suit, and I think that he could portray the right kind of 'lordliness' that Lysaer has to have.
You know, another interesting choice would be Heath Ledger. He definitely possesses the kind of smile that would just win people over right and left, as we know Lysaer does.
I liked the idea of Jack Black as Dakar. A lot.
But I was also going to suggest an actor named Mark Addy. He was in 'A Knight's Tale' with Heath.
And I really liked the suggestion of Jennifer Connelly for Elaira. She's truly beautiful, yet inherently intelligent, and she can portray sooooo much with her eyes.
Pretty much this whole idea of bringing WoLaS to the big screen is totally exciting.
The CG effects would and could be awesome.

Dawnlyn


   By Lyssabits on Monday, August 02, 2004 - 05:52 pm: Edit Post

I'm probably the only woman on earth who can't stand Orlando Bloom, but there you have it. ;) He may be slight enough in bone structure, but I think personality wise he is too slight. I don't think he has enough presence for Arithon. I just can't take Orlando Bloom seriously. He looks like he's 14 years old, and he's all soft eyes and long lashes. Arithon may be delicate in stature, but he's got a forceful personality, and he's been hardned by all the hard knocks he's been dealt. I think he'd be better served by an older actor with more experience under his belt. Who knows, by the time the series is finished and the movies ready to be made, Orlando could be perfect. ;)

Arithon is arguably the hardest character to cast, as fun as it'd be to see a movie version of this series, I can't help but think we'd all be so dissapointed by whomever ended up as Arithon that it wouldn't be satisfying.


   By Brenda Marshall on Monday, August 02, 2004 - 08:03 pm: Edit Post

My vote for Arithon would be Michael Hurst. I don't think there's a role he CAN'T play. I just saw him recently in Auckland playing the lead in Goldie and four days later playing MacBeth. He has the right build for it and the talent. Won't be the first time he changed his hair color and added colored contacts for a role either <g>.

Brenda


   By Dawnlyn on Tuesday, August 03, 2004 - 08:40 am: Edit Post

I can see your point, Lyssabits, even though I do tend to be biased for Orlando. I agree that Arithon would require to be portrayed with a lot of strength. He does definitely have moments of being 'forceful'.
But, somehow, in my own mind, I've had the impression that that's more of an internal thing with him, an aspect of his nature that he can and will express. To look at Arithon, I really don't feel that he would appear 'forceful'. There are several mentions of quite the opposite in regard to how he looks.
From the fragility of his body, to the times when other characters actually viewed him as being almost 'boyish' in appearance.
He's described as being rather small, lean and compactly muscled. Sometimes he even seems a bit hyper, as those types of people often are.
One of those energetic, nervous types.
That creates a picture of him, in my mind, as looking more sensitive than strong. Certainly, time and again, we've heard other characters describe how they see him, and they always speak of how he just doesn't 'look' like what they might have expected from someone of his royal status or reputation as a mage.
As to his appearing 'hardened' as a result of all he's been through, I can't honestly say that I've seen enough to support that. In fact, my impression was that all his trials have tended to wear him down physically. He grows thin, and even more fragile as a result of hardship.
Yet, it's at those points that he seems most strong because of his inner fibre and determination. It's when he 'appears' to be at his weakest, that he seems most driven.
But, then again, we've yet to see how his episode in Kewar's Tunnel will have effected him. Out of everything he's been through, THAT would seem most likely to 'harden' him.
So..I do agree, whoever would be chosen to portray Arithon would definitely need to possess the talent to be both a fiery warrior and a sensitive musician.
He would also need to have that particular physical appearance that is such a trademark of Arithon--whipcord lean and strong, yet deceptively fragile.
No matter what actor it is, it has to be a man who knows how to use his eyes to speak without words. Someone who can, in one scene, shoot sparks of inner fire with his eyes,able to make others stand back; while in another, appear dreamy and distant and caught up in his musical rapture.
Oh, yeah, and in-between would be the times he's that witty, clever rapscallion who sings bawdy tunes and trades banter with tavern wenches.
LOL....can there even be an actor who can do all that?

Dawnlyn


   By Auna on Thursday, August 05, 2004 - 06:45 am: Edit Post

Don't laugh too hard but I thought the actor that played King Arthur had a definite brooding eye look going. Unfortunately, his body build just isn't right.

Viggo Morgenson on the other hand has the right face and body and some soulful looks at times, he's just a shade too old though.

For giggles, here's my choice for LotR cast as WoLaS:

Aragorn -> Arithon
Boromir -> Lysaer
Arwen -> Elaira
Eowyn -> Lirenda
Gimli -> Dakar
Wormtongue -> Cerebeld

Caithdiens:
Denethor -> Steiven
Faramir -> Jieret
Theoden -> Bransian s'Brydion
Eomer -> Mearn sBrydion
Elrond -> Erlien s'Taleyn (caithdien of Shand)
Galadriel -> Maenalle sGannley

Caolle -> the commander of Faramir's troops that died when Osgiliath was overrun (forget his name)

F7:
Saruman -> Sethvir (as a good guy of course!)
Gandalf -> Asandir


   By Kathie La Rocque on Friday, August 06, 2004 - 08:43 pm: Edit Post

Christopher Lee as a good guy???!!! You do realize he'd have to die, right?
Anyone for John Rhys Davies as Luhane?


   By Hannah on Friday, August 06, 2004 - 11:24 pm: Edit Post

John Rhys Davies would make an excellent Luhaine, oh my goodness!


   By Blue on Friday, August 06, 2004 - 11:27 pm: Edit Post

I still say Michael McShane [Friar Tuck in Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves] would make an awesome Dakar! Weight, hair color, drunken behavior, can do a great bad singing performance [though McShane himself isn't all that bad a singer in other venues]. Central Casting, I present, Dakar the Mad Prophet!!


   By michelle-louise on Thursday, August 26, 2004 - 08:53 am: Edit Post

I think that the chap who plays horatio hornblower in the new(ish) TV series - Ioan Gruffudd (read owen griffith) would make a damn fine Arithon. Sexy sexy sexy!!!

Check him out at http://www.ioanonline.com/gallery/view_photo.php?set_albumName=album21&id=autogr aphed


   By Michelle-Louise on Thursday, August 26, 2004 - 08:55 am: Edit Post

Oh - 1998 (not new then) but look!! Swashbuckling!!
http://www.ioanonline.com/gallery/view_photo.php?set_albumName=album21&id=horn28


   By Lyssabits on Thursday, August 26, 2004 - 01:44 pm: Edit Post

Wow. I actually quite like the look of that guy. More than anyone else I've seen/thought of. I'd have to see him act though, before passing judgement on his fitness to be the much-drooled over Arithon. ;)

But I'll love him just for his name, so very Welsh. Brings back fond memories of my Midevil Celtic History class. ;)


   By maggiemame on Thursday, August 26, 2004 - 05:24 pm: Edit Post

Sorry I don't usually chip in here althought I await news of the next book avidly but I have to say Orlando Bloom as Lysaer would be my choice rather then Arithon. Although I liked the idea of Arwen playing Elaira!
Cheers
Maggie


   By marti on Tuesday, August 31, 2004 - 08:39 pm: Edit Post

Just saw Johnny Depp in Don Juan DeMarco. At the end, where he dresses up in his "island" wear - (blousy shirt, black pants cropped below the knee, multi-colored sash..)perfect Arithon!!!!


   By Konran on Saturday, September 04, 2004 - 01:20 am: Edit Post

I actually started going through and casting people a bit ago... didn't get all the way through, but found some good matches. I have picture links to prove it if anybody goes "huh"?

Arithon - ??
Lysaer - Johnny Depp? (I have a picture of him blonde and OMG!) Also possibly Tom Cruise (as he did a very good arrogant blonde as Lestat in Interview with the Vampire)

Sethvir - the guy who played Dumbledore in the Harry Potter movies before he died, or maybe Alec Guinness
Asandir - Sean Connery X3
Kharadmon - Tim Curry maybe...? not exactly how I picture him, but sort of close.
Traithe - Liam Neeson


Morriel - Anjelica Huston
Lirenda - Kate Beckinsale
Selidie - Kirsten Dunst
Elaira - Alexa Davalos?

Jieret (old) - Ewan McGregor
Talith - Keira Knightley maybe?
Sulfin Evend - Oded Fehr (I KNOW it says Sulfin Evend has light eyes, but that's what contacts are for, right? I just can't get him out of my head when I think of Sulfin)
Cerebeld - that guy from A Knight's Tale.. the one who played Chaucer...
Feylind - Sophia Myles


   By Kam on Wednesday, September 08, 2004 - 04:18 am: Edit Post

Kate as Lirenda I could see, she has that haughty arrogance and has a rather smoky sort of beauty.
And Kira could pull off the Talith pout very nicely :P

*points* And someone who actually agrees with me about Tom Cruise as Lysaer after seeing Lestat! Yea! But he's probably too short.

Oded Fehr... Uh. I don't know. I admit that Sulfin should have a rugged-ness about him but Oded is dark, you know? I never got the impression that Sulfin was dark.

I like Ewan McGregor as Jieret but will protest loudly at any mention of Sean Connery XP

Kam


   By Konran on Wednesday, September 08, 2004 - 02:06 pm: Edit Post

Well... the Sean Connery thing... I always imagine Asandir as having this deep, commanding, forbidding voice, y'know? My b/f (who I have badgered into reading CotM finally) suggested Ian McKellan... I don't see it though. I think what I want is a cross between Ian McKellan and Christopher Lee, with Sean Connery's voice. But if you've seen The Rock, he goes very well with long hair as a Sorceror-type figure... *sweatdrop* I can't help seeing Oded Fehr every time I read about Sulfin! I think Janny made mention once that he was blond, and I know she's referred to him as having "light, piercing eyes" (bad paraphrase)... but I still can't help it!


   By Dorothy on Wednesday, September 08, 2004 - 03:04 pm: Edit Post

I watched Girl with a Pearl Earring a few weeks ago and thought Scarlett Johannson(guessing the spelling)would make an excellent Selidie.The character she played portrayed the same awe for the artist as Selidie did for Morriel.Excellent film.


   By Epilogue on Thursday, September 09, 2004 - 01:37 pm: Edit Post

If it was ever made into a film, why use hollywood actors at all? They'd only look their typical 1-dimensional selves.. it'd better to have a host of good, less well known, perhaps theatre actors doing the job!

Mind you, that said I think I could see Sethvir played by Patrick Stewart or Morgan Freeman..


   By Konran on Thursday, September 09, 2004 - 01:54 pm: Edit Post

"If it was ever made into a film, why use hollywood actors at all? They'd only look their typical 1-dimensional selves.. it'd better to have a host of good, less well known, perhaps theatre actors doing the job!"


In that case, sign me up for Elaira *wink* (grey contacts and I might be able to pull it off... my hair's almost the right color... I have Lirenda's eyes though. *grin*)


   By Greg Malcom on Friday, September 10, 2004 - 11:22 am: Edit Post

I've seen A lot of postings here but I haven't seen this one;

how about Jane Seymour as Lirenda... I believe she could pull it off.


   By Memory on Saturday, September 11, 2004 - 05:12 am: Edit Post

I think that the actor Jonathan Rhys Meyers would make a good Arithon. He looks the part, can actually act and apparently is a singer and musician... He's also not some big Hollywood name that would overshadow the film ;)

Found a random pic to illustrate:

http://homepage2.nifty.com/amanokuni/sozai/J-cut-200410.jpg


   By Trys on Saturday, September 11, 2004 - 10:02 am: Edit Post

Jonathon Rhys Meyers played Steerpike in the BBC production of Gormenghast and King Philip of France in the recent Showtime remake of A Lion in Winter.


   By Hannah on Saturday, September 11, 2004 - 04:55 pm: Edit Post

You can also catch him in theatres right now (in the US at least) in Vanity Fair. He was about the only thing I enjoyed in that horrifyingly awfully edited movie. He was so wonderfully malicious. I don't think he blinked the entire movie.

He looks so young though. Always so young. I know Arithon is perpetually 22, but still. He has to have some worldliness in his eyes I think.

And JRM always seems to play baddies. Makes it hard to visualize.


   By StarGazer72 on Saturday, September 11, 2004 - 08:36 pm: Edit Post

I don't have any suggestions, but thinking of Orlando Bloom as Lysaer and Johnny Depp as Arithon (even though the ages aren't quite right) does put that fight between them in Pirates into a whole new light! Was chuckling to myself the last time I watched it. :-)
SG


   By Memory on Sunday, September 12, 2004 - 07:36 am: Edit Post

Ahhh, Hannah, but there's the beauty of it - he is tragically misunderstood ;-)

Memory


   By Benjamin Kenneally on Monday, November 28, 2005 - 04:30 pm: Edit Post

Somehow whenever I see Dakar, I always see Oliver Platt. Drunken, occasionally loutish, overweight, grumbling, but understanding and compassionate underneath. Oliver can certainly do all of that.


   By Ellydee on Wednesday, November 30, 2005 - 01:53 am: Edit Post

Gael Garcia Bernal was excellent in The Motorcycle Diaries, and kept reminding me of the portrait of Arithon I have in my mind. And he's very cute. He would be my top choice!


   By Ketrilla on Wednesday, November 30, 2005 - 06:25 am: Edit Post

There was a couple people in The Count of Monte Cristo that I though would make a good Arithon, but I cant remember the names.


   By Robert Allen Smith on Monday, August 14, 2006 - 07:52 am: Edit Post

I know this thread is dead but everysince seeing Unreal World's first season on network T.V. I have felt that Dakar would best be played by Ron Jeremy.


   By Kitsune on Tuesday, August 22, 2006 - 01:11 pm: Edit Post

Hmm.
For casting?
Visually, I think Paul Walker is how I see Lysaer.
(Though I don't think he necessarily has the acting chops to pull off such a meaty role.)

Arithon, however?
Is much a harder cast for me, sine his "image" varies.

But the face I typically "see" when I think of Arithon is Mike Erwin. (He's best known for playing "Colin Hart" on the TV show "Everwood".



   By Kam on Sunday, April 13, 2008 - 09:41 am: Edit Post

I just had an awesome candidate for an Arithon.

Dan Balan. Check him out if you don't know who I'm talking about. He's a pop singer, which is kinda funny to me.

His most popular song is probably that Numa Numa song (thanks to youtube!)

His website for pictures.

And he's got an interesting accent :p


   By Meredith Lee Gray on Monday, June 09, 2008 - 02:27 am: Edit Post

Yesterday I watched 3/4 of the movie Stage Beauty with Billy Crudup, and the entire time he reminded me of Arithon. (Well, not so much when he was acting as a woman, LOL...)

Billy Crudup is a fantastic actor, and facially resembles Arithon quite a bit (except he has dark eyes instead of green I think). He's very expressive and dynamic in this role. In turn forceful, tortured, cynical and witty, conniving, and innocent.

In the movie, in particular there was one scene where his character goes to "dinner" with the King and a mess of nobles, but he dresses in really simple, unadorned black, and it reminded me of how Arithon often does just that. Also, his character is very quick-witted, mouthy, insulting, and funny--just as Arithon often is (to those he doesn't like at least). ;-)

Anyhow, in that movie at least, Billy Crudup gets my casting vote. There's a serious dearth of caps from that movie, but here's one picture. I recommend the movie if you want to check it out. Odd in some parts, but very entertaining.


   By Julie on Monday, June 09, 2008 - 09:40 pm: Edit Post

Billy Crudup is one of those actors you want to see much more of- I think I first really took notice of him in Jesus' Son. Like Christian Bale (another dark haired angular faced man)he can take risky roles and does not sell out too much.
Good choice!


   By Kirsten Laurelle Wallace on Wednesday, June 18, 2008 - 09:00 am: Edit Post

This is kind of an old movie now and I know that it was mentioned in this thread a couple of years ago but I definately agree that the Count of Monte Cristo had some good options. In the last thirty minutes of the movie, when James Caviezel and Guy Pearce are fighting, I can't help but see Lysaer and Arithon. Caviezel is wearing simple clothing in the black and white that Arithon is always described in, he has the wavy, slightly too long hair and the green eyes. Also, he has the tortured hero look while Pearce looks every inch the refined gentleman. Anyway, every time I see that scene I think that the two actors would be great for the roles.


   By Meredith Lee Gray on Thursday, June 19, 2008 - 01:19 pm: Edit Post

That's funny, because of the two, I would say Guy looks more like Arithon, with the very pronounced cheekbones and arrogance, and a mouth similar to what Janny painted.

Mer


   By Kirsten Laurelle Wallace on Thursday, June 19, 2008 - 05:06 pm: Edit Post

I can see that. I guess that I just think that Guy has the blonde hair and blue eyes like Lysaer. Also, I don't know, Arithon's character has the arrogance but it's based off of experience through life. Lysaer's is more about what he learned as the heir to the throne. As far as the characters go in the movie I think that Edmond's character can be very arrogant but it comes from the experiences of his life; a defense to others and not something that was learned from is father. Anyway, I was mainly going off of the fact that Caviezel has the dark hair and green eyes. He also has the tanned skin.
Thanks for the response. This is the first chat of any kind that I've been on. It's really neat that people respond to all of the comments.


   By Clansman on Thursday, June 19, 2008 - 07:50 pm: Edit Post

Welcome, Kirsten. This IS a great chat area, and we respect each other fairly well, even when we disagree. There have been some rather heated philosophical discussions when we have broken conversational rules (i.e. no religion or politics), but we still like each other, and our comments, even in disagreement, stay above the fray that you could find in some less respectable chats.


   By Meredith Lee Gray on Friday, June 20, 2008 - 01:47 am: Edit Post

Oh, does Guy have blonde hair in that movie? I thought it was brown, albeit lighter than Caviezel's. I know Guy has had blonde hair in a handful of his movies, but he naturally has quite dark hair and blue eyes (which can easily be contact'd to green).

Jim Caviezel does have an interesting look, but it's really not "Arithon" to me.

Guy Pearce is certainly known for portraying characters that are more than full of themselves. But I'm just speaking facially about looks, not personalities. Anyhow, I wouldn't call Arithon's personality arrogant per se (well, okay, sometimes he is--but I wouldn't say it to his face). But, well, his appearance... In some of the Fionn Areth bits, when he's growing up, for example, his mother(?) remarks upon how his face has an arrogant set to it.

I'm glad you found the chat area! There's nothing like a great chat area to bring your fandom to fruition. *sigh* I have no idea what I'm talking about. LOL, nevermind.

Mer


   By Kam on Monday, December 22, 2008 - 08:35 am: Edit Post

I watched Dr Horrible lately and one of the characters, Penny reminds me so much of Elaira (except for the part about being a wet blanket).

Anyway the actress is Felicia Day, whom I think would be a pretty good Elaira. She's not classically beautiful but I think she has a natural charm. Plus she's got auburn hair and grey eyes to begin with! @.@

http://feliciaday.com/

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=9aksof50qPI&feature=related


   By Antonia van Koeverden on Friday, March 06, 2009 - 02:32 am: Edit Post

Sorry, guys, but I don't think that anyone could possibly do Arithon justice. There is just far too much to portray than you can sensibly ask an actor to convey.

I think I'd make a good Elaira! I have greyish eyes, and auburn hair, and I loove Arithon... sound good so far??

Lysaer and Talith would be hard to cast too, both are described as "perfect" beauty-wise. But there was one guy I saw a while ago... damn, his name's just gone completely... bother. How about - no, that wasn't it. Sorry.


   By Derek Coventry on Friday, March 06, 2009 - 04:39 am: Edit Post

Ah, there was a time when I could have put myself forward as Arithon but nowadays it's Sethvir who looks out of my mirror!


   By Clansman on Friday, March 06, 2009 - 08:42 am: Edit Post

Derek, better Sethvir than Luhaine, or, GASP! Dakar!
Well, at least Dakar is alive.


   By Janny Wurts on Friday, March 06, 2009 - 02:54 pm: Edit Post

Welcome Antonia!


   By Konran on Thursday, March 12, 2009 - 03:02 pm: Edit Post

After watching The Prestige, I have to put forward Hugh Jackman as my candidate for Arithon. He does an excellent job as an angsty, obsessed character. Seriously, if all you've ever seen him do is Wolverine, you're missing out.


   By Lyssabits on Thursday, March 12, 2009 - 11:08 pm: Edit Post

I love Jackman, but he's too tall, he's 6'2". ;)


   By Craftsman on Tuesday, March 17, 2009 - 03:38 am: Edit Post

Much as I hate to say it, I don't think that a movie should be made of the WoLaS series - any attempt to translate the wondrous eloquence that is Janny's writing would ultimately fail. There is just too much detail and intricacy in the writing outside of the dialouge, and so many of the concepts that make the series so interesting could never be anywhere near so well explored by a movie. Also, movies suffer from time constraints, and you could never fit everything in the book into the movie. The director would probably modify the plotline to work to better as a movie, and as we have seen through the series, Janny choses every word she uses with absolute precision. I think that a movie would never satisfy, particularly in the realm of music and magic.

However, I agree that it is interesting to cast characters! :-)
Arithon is impossible to cast - unless he was to actually step out of the pages, I don't think you could ever find an actor to match.
I would like to see Ian McKellan and Christopher Lee as sorcerers though...


   By Clansman on Tuesday, March 17, 2009 - 08:04 am: Edit Post

Right you are Craftsman. LOTR barely made it into a screen play (it took the better part of a decade), and despite a really good job at bringing that amazing story to film, there are a lot of interpretive problems with it (Elrond, Aragorn, and Faramir, not to mention a wingeing Frodo). To be fair to Mr. Jackson, the task was huge, and he did call it an interpretation, not a faithful translation.

To convert the 8 plus 3 forthcoming books of WoLaS would be impossible, unless one did an epic series of about 50 two hour episodes. In fact, I believe that the HBO series (scheduled to start filming in Ireland this fall) of G.R.R. Martin's A Song of Ice and Fire will fail to translate to the screen at all well. Far too many POV's, and too much detail that is vital to the progression of the story make it a veritable nightmare for the producers who are brave (read "foolish") enough to take that career-ender of a project on. They might pull something off, though. Certainly, that story has enough graphic sex in it to satisfy the carnal desires of HBO's regular audiences.

Imagine tackling The Malazan Book of the Fallen on screen! Sheer idiocy!

Some stuff should be left in book form, like the WoLaS. The form of the books can be changed (like audiobooks, for instance), but translating to a visual medium just doesn't work for the larger stories.


   By Janny Wurts on Tuesday, March 17, 2009 - 11:09 am: Edit Post

Welcome, Craftsman!

Turning a large, long series into a screenplay could indeed be a nightmarish effort...

The plot deviations alone in Jackson's interpretation - some were obviously made to make the film play better on screen (Arwen being a stronger character) but some were made for sheer whim...and films have a habit of doing what they please with a story line with disastrous results.

There are rare successes - The Hunt for Red October comes to mind.

The talent of the actors is EVERYTHING, IF the scriptwriter stays true to course.

I went into the Jackson movie terrified - because I just KNEW Gandalf was not possible to portray in film. I expected to hate what I saw. McKellin proved the exception - that man could say EVERYTHING unspoken with just a facial expression or a look....given talent like that across the boards - and a transparent script (hah!) and a director without an agenda....that's a lot to line up.

Doing the whole sweep, all five arcs....I don't see it. But who knows what the future will hold? We are thinking linear acting, etc....what may come, who knows?

Right now, I'm gunning for a nice audio production.

With regard to ASoIaF, I am just interested as heck to see how the screen writing crew will handle the POV - will they dare the risk of alienating the audience, and if not, which characters will be the ones they choose to let viewers root for in their script?


   By Konran on Tuesday, March 17, 2009 - 02:48 pm: Edit Post

I wouldn't trust anyone to handle WoLaS either *grin* It's just fun to find people with resemblances. However, has anyone here seen Watchmen yet? Zack Snyder did a really good job of staying faithful to the book (minus the ending, which was changed, but without spoiling anything, the original ending *was* pretty bizarre, and what they replaced it with made sense.)


   By Clansman on Tuesday, March 17, 2009 - 03:25 pm: Edit Post

Yup. Saw Watchmen. 2/3 character development, 1/3 story. Kind of interesting, but more should have happened in three hours of movie.


   By Konran on Tuesday, March 17, 2009 - 10:16 pm: Edit Post

Honestly, that was it. Nothing was taken out story-wise. I'd just read the comic for the first time shortly before seeing the movie so I was able to follow along with the plot in my head. A little tiny bit was cut out, but again, it was mostly character development and relatively unimportant side stuff. It matches really well; I was even able to spot some frame-for-frame recreations of certain comic panels in some shots of the movie.


   By Kam on Wednesday, March 18, 2009 - 12:40 am: Edit Post

I wouldnt trust anyone with WoLaS because no one seems to be able to get Earthsea right and that's about as simple as fantasy can get.


   By Trys on Wednesday, March 18, 2009 - 05:33 am: Edit Post

When a book is filtered through the mind(s) of people who were not the creator of the work there is bound to be variations on the interpretation of the work. Given that Tolkien was dead and had sold the rights to the movie and that LeGuin was not involved in the making of Earthsea, there wasn't much hope that those works would be faithfully recreated (please note that even a small morsel of hope can have tremendous results). The only way I can see a movie version of any WoLaS work being created well would be if Janny were intimately and intricately involved in the process. Can you say artistic control? I thought you could. :-)

There's always hope that these books could see a video format that faitfully reproduces them.

Trys


   By Lyssabits on Wednesday, March 18, 2009 - 06:33 pm: Edit Post

I think artistic *control* is a dangerous idea when you're translating from one medium to another. I do believe writers should be a granted greater say in books of theirs that are adapted to the screen. Heck, I think screenplay writers should also. However as many people probably already know, what works on the page can sometimes be horrible on the screen. (Ira Glass talked about this when he was going from This American Life the radio show to This American Life the TV series.) Some authors can help the transition, and some are too close to the material to be able to let other people who might be better suited to the film adaptation change things. I think with a good collaboration you can get a film, that while different, has the same effect as the book. But different people have different ideas of what a "faithful" reproduction would be.. I think the important part is to evoke the same sort of emotions, communicate the same ideas. You don't necessarily have to tell the story completely or in perfect detail to do that.

But once movies start shooting often times things get changed by directors and actors.. at some point, once you hand your creation over into the hands of people who have to bring it to life, you have to cede control, lest your artistic vision crush the vision of anyone else. A writer has the control over their work on the page in a way that is completely impossible to replicate on stage or on film. I think it's interesting that you have this hue and cry over bad book adaptations in films, but not over plays. I think directors and actors would be insulted if a playwright tried to be the same way about their work. The only thing that makes a movie different from a play in that regard is that the movie gets made ONCE, so some illusion of a measure of control is possible there, whereas you know you can't go to every company staging a production of your play to enforce your will.

Earthsea ended up being very poorly done when they cut LeGuin out of the production because the folks who made it clearly hadn't had a connection to the material in the way they'd needed to have in order to do it justice. However I imagine working with people like that, even with the author involved you'd get a bad production. I recall her saying something about the movie they made out of her book The Lathe of Heaven, how even though she wasn't intimately involved in the nuts and bolts of making the movie, and even though the details weren't exactly the same, that the movie was communicating what her book was about and so she loved it. (She writes an essay on this in.. Dancing at the Edge of the World? I think?)


   By Beldarius on Sunday, March 27, 2011 - 12:56 pm: Edit Post

I could see Garrett Hedlund as either Lysaer or Arithon - he looks good both blond and dark-haired. XD I really liked him as Murtagh in Eragon (the movie was way better than the book).


   By Stephen Mulligan on Sunday, June 12, 2011 - 12:21 pm: Edit Post

Hey,

I'm about half way through Ships of Merior and I keep seeing Eric Clapton circa Derek and the Dominos as Arithon.

Stephen


   By Sleo on Sunday, June 12, 2011 - 12:31 pm: Edit Post

Yeah. I could go with that.


   By Joshua Bruce Law on Wednesday, June 22, 2011 - 03:34 am: Edit Post

Jonathan Sadowski for Arithon , he plays Henry in bleep my dad says, he's adorable slightly built and the right coloring, the only problem being he is too tall.

Melinda who plays Sydney Hanson in providence, and is also in csi ny. Or julliane margillies spelling definitely off, from the good wife back in the days she played morgaine in the mists of Avalon for Elaira.


   By Anna Kanowski on Tuesday, October 04, 2011 - 07:06 am: Edit Post

It just hit me today : Darren Criss who plays Blaine on Glee could be Arithon!
He is shorter than average and of slight build. Looks good shaved or with a beard.
He plays 9 instruments and sings.
In most of his photos he is smiling but I'm sure angst is in his range.
His hair goes curly when long but that is what professional hairdressers are employed on movie sets for right?
Also he is young and unfortunately some great candidates are a bit too old imho.

Did I mention he is really hot?

Google him!!!

Ok you can probably tell I'm a big Gleek.
If you're not into that or you've never heard of Darren Criss it might help if I mention he played Harry Potter in a musical parody on you tube and he wrote most of the music for it.


(I haven't posted for ages - had to re-register).


   By Stephen Mulligan on Thursday, July 05, 2012 - 02:18 pm: Edit Post

actually changed my mind for arithon....now im seeing Chris Cornell.


   By Beldarius on Thursday, September 06, 2012 - 11:29 am: Edit Post

I only now started to read this series and from the first moment Arithon was introduced, I could only think of one person to play him in a movie.

...Cillian Murphy.

He's an incredibly good actor and especially adept at playing the cool, cold type (and psychotic guys, but that's beside the point). He also has very sharp eyes and I figure something like that could fit Arithon.


   By HJ on Saturday, January 04, 2014 - 07:43 am: Edit Post

Aneurin Barnard for Arithon! Or possibly Aiden Turner?


   By Melanie Trumbull on Monday, August 04, 2014 - 02:16 pm: Edit Post

When I read a book, the sound of a character's voice is as vital to me as the visual image of the character's person. That may be one reason that, when I read Arithon's dialogue, I hear Robert Carlyle's voice. A very distinctive voice, and yet there is not a trace of "Dudley Do-Right" superhero stentorian tones in his speech.
It is easy to list the ways in which Robert Carlyle does not fit Arithon visually: his eyes are brown rather than green; his hair is "sandy" brown rather than coal black, he really does not like to sing except as an absolute last resort....
but as an actor, he has got the chops for Arithon if anybody has; moreover, the "anti-hero" slight-figure image has been typecast into his film/TV career for years. Carlyle certainly has the fire for the role.


   By Richard Myburgh on Thursday, December 01, 2016 - 06:18 am: Edit Post

Sethvir - Anthiny Hobkins
Asandir - Sean Connery
Traith - Christopher Walkin
Kharadmon - Mickey Rauk
Luhain - Liam Neeson
Dravin - Nicholas Cage

Morriel - Jude Dench
Lirenda - Helen Mirren
Elaira - ??

Those are all I can think of for now.

for sound track: Light and Shadow, by Vangelis.


   By Richard Myburgh on Friday, December 02, 2016 - 04:41 am: Edit Post

Replace Mickey Rauk with Ian McKellen as Kharadmon and place Mickey Rauk as Dakar.

Replace Jude Dench with Merrill Streep (better at authoritative roles) as Morriel.

Elaira - Milla Jovovich.

All the meathead actors can fill the roles of the s'Brydon brothers:

Arnold Swartzenegger, Jason Stratham, Dolf Lundgrren, Bruce Willis, Sylvester Stallone.

with Jude Dench as their Gran.


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