Petition for Recognition

Janny Wurts Chat Area: General Discussion: Petition for Recognition
   By Laneth Sffarlenn on Thursday, January 17, 2008 - 09:10 pm: Edit Post

Hey everyone,

This was posted on another forum I attend and I was bitterly disappointed with Our Lady's score...

http://home.austarnet.com.au/petersykes/fantasy100/lists_books.html

It's the "Fantasy 100: Top 100 Fantasy Books" results, and apparently The Curse of the Mistwaith scores 195...

I think we should start a "petition for recognition" of Janny's work - it's a crime and a travesty that she's not ranked independently higher on the list, for WoLaS, Cycle of Fire or any of the short stories...

Janny, perhaps ye need to do what Ray Feist did with Magician and do an anniversary re-write with your 'greater level of skill in writing'? *grin*

Either way, I really think we as a society (the members here) should research ways of strategically marketing Janny's books to various communities to get her better recognition by the people who run these lists...


   By Derek Coventry on Friday, January 18, 2008 - 04:38 am: Edit Post

I wonder how many of those who took part in that survey were true SF readers. I've just taken part in their poll and picked out 10 from their list and when I looked back at their top 200 I found the majority of my choice appeared twix 150 & 200! Hopefully when my poll is taken into account it will raise Janny's undeserved position.


   By Janny Wurts on Friday, January 18, 2008 - 04:38 pm: Edit Post

THANK YOU!!!!!! :-)

Increased presence for these titles Always helps raise awareness. I could not ask for better help on the matter.


   By alexith on Sunday, January 20, 2008 - 07:56 pm: Edit Post

I voted, but it was very hard to pick only 10 (well 9 b/c I already knew one vote went towards CotMW). Not to many of the ones I picked were in the top 100.


   By Trys on Monday, January 21, 2008 - 09:16 am: Edit Post

What I find irritating about the list of books is that when I find an author who wrote a book that I would consider in my top 100, the list does not have THAT book listed. For example: Sheri S. Tepper; they list King's Blood Four... I'd vote for Grass or Robert A Heinlein; they list Glory Road... I'd vote for Stranger in a Strange Land. I voted for one book. :-)


   By Clansman on Monday, January 21, 2008 - 11:55 am: Edit Post

The irritating thing about this list is that it is just like Wikipedia - anyone can contribute. I am sorry, but democracy is the worst possible way to determine quality. It is, to paraphrase Churchill, the worst form of government too, except for all the others, but it really is the worst way to determine a list like this. Though everyone is entitled to an opinion, not every opinion is of the same weight or value, thus you get a skewed list like this. Democratic determination of quality has led to so-called reality television and the (blech!) Fox Network (except for The Simpsons, which is pretty good satire).

Some of the absolute schlok that is in the list baffles my mind. Also, some stuff that would not qualify as fantasy (such as science fiction (which is a totally different genre!), satire books), and even a Shakespeare play (Midsummer Night's Dream) is included in the list.

It was not surprising, or, in my opinion (for what it is worth :-)) improper, to see Tolkien at the top of the list. Some of the others that are "up there" owe their position to recent publicity, and some are pretty darn good or were ground-breaking at the time they were published.

The way that I would prepare such a list (the purpose of which would be to educate the reading public on where to go to get a great read), is to create a large panel of those who actually write or edit fantasy for a living. So Janny would be on the panel (of course) along with, say, George Martin, Terry Brooks, Judith Tarr, Ray Feist, Sara Douglass, Guy Gavriel Kay, et cetera and so on. Each author/editor would submit their list, and then a computer could easily tabulate the results.

I would also re-organize the list into to two lists. There should be a list for single novels, and a list for series. Sometimes a novel is head-and-shoulders above the others in a series, but the series as a whole is not as good. Sometimes, there are stand-alone fantasy novels. Comparing a stand-alone to a series is apples to oranges, in my book. There would also be brief synopses for each book or series. The website created from these lists would be fairly large as a result, but it would be very informative, and (I think) a positive thing for the fantasy reader, author and publisher alike. I would, given an unlimited budget, arrange for links with Amazon and other book web-sites, both in sales and in chat areas.

I would do separate lists for science fiction, in the same format as the fantasy section, but on its own webpage.

On critical review by her peers, I am sure that Janny's books would do very well.

Just my two cents on the subject. Think it'll go anwwhere?


   By Janny Wurts on Monday, January 21, 2008 - 01:28 pm: Edit Post

There are many "lists" out there - Library Thing members are compiling another one at this moment. (1001 fantasies, a website list, open to nominations and seconds, with, eventually, descriptions of the books included)

Such things serve one purpose: to bring attention to titles.

In the broad sense of the word, it increases name recognition. The more of that, the more awareness - in a case of some more sophisticated titles, sometimes more awareness is needed, because not every reader can grapple the complexities. Some readers fall by the wayside. A successful series needs a constant influx of new readers, and a sharp jump, out the gate, when a new installment comes out, to alert folks who may not be "waiting" for it to notice it's available...this ensures the rapid sales that will create restocking.

Some series that have deep complexities have very very noisy readers - they post enthusiastically every chance they get, so it seems. This likely brings in more readers, and so increases the odds of repeat customers. I have watched such books rise, slowly, steadily, over the years, until now, there is hardly a list that does not include those most original author's works.

Although many book stores beside Amazon permit online ratings and customer reviews, (Waterstones, etc) if only the hordes bother to do so....why let the ignorant rule?

Lately, I have been making an effort to bring books I love to the attention of readers on a few select forums.

Clansman - check out this: http://www.fantasyliterature.net/index.html


   By Clansman on Monday, January 21, 2008 - 04:16 pm: Edit Post

Janny:

What a fabulous page! I haven't been able to find SF on it yet, but I haven't really had the time to look.

Everyone else should check it out. Very cool.


   By Laneth Sffarlenn on Monday, January 21, 2008 - 04:21 pm: Edit Post

Clansman,

Head up the top of the page and mouse-over the "Authors" link, go across to "W" and find our Janny.

Or click here for her page:
http://www.fantasyliterature.net/WurtsJanny.html

BTW Janny, this is a nicely set-out review of your books. I love how he's broken up the books into the Arcs.

I'm wanting to do a similar thing for your books, and was wondering if there was a set of images that are your bookcovers that ye allow people to display on their site? (Like this site has done?)
(I also don't want to just Google image search them and simply put them up without your permission...)
I don't want them to be too big, and I was hoping to get all the UK Covers, as I'm in Australia...

Trys, ye might be able to help with this as well, no?


   By Clansman on Monday, January 21, 2008 - 04:53 pm: Edit Post

I noticed that the only book of Janny's that is actually reviewed there is Master of Whitestorm. The rest are publisher synopses. How could CotMW not be reviewed here, especially when it is featured as one of their top picks on the home page?

I wonder how one gets to be a reviewer on that page? They obviously have some work to do. They have done some rather nice stuff on other books.


   By Laneth Sffarlenn on Monday, January 21, 2008 - 05:04 pm: Edit Post

I can see this turning into a project within the users here - To go forth and multiply, recruiting vast numbers of people to the fold...

Hey! We need a Lysaer! Someone charismatic and in the public eye, who can name-drop Janny in a REAALLLY convenient place...
*thinks*

Perhaps we should see if we can't find some direct contact details for the webmaster or this "John" character who reviewed the books, and see if we can't submit our own reviews?


   By Janny Wurts on Monday, January 21, 2008 - 08:29 pm: Edit Post

I do not know a thing about this site - I stumbled into it, and thought it was very nicely done. If you check on the page for the reviewers, the layout shows, very clearly, the preferences of each one. The fact the site is tagged "literature" is a bonus. :-) Somebody put a lot of TLC into the project, and took extra time on their background checks. Such thoughtful attention has my applause.

With regard to displaying book covers in such a format - if the book is being reviewed, or listed for readers, this has become an acceptable practice, to show the book as it appears, with the publisher's layout and typeface. This is depicting the BOOK - quite distinct and different from blowing up the artwork, or altering it, or cutting out a partial bit of the image as "web design" which would, then, infringe copyrights. I have no problem with publicity related display of the book's cover, it's to everyone's benefit.


   By Derek Coventry on Tuesday, January 22, 2008 - 03:32 am: Edit Post

Great site! I've bookmarked it for later in-depth study. I feel my "To read" list is about extend rapidly.


   By Clansman on Tuesday, January 22, 2008 - 09:17 am: Edit Post

I am thinking of contacting that site's moderators. I think they could use another reviewer. They only did one of Janny's books, and a very early one at that.

Janny, I agree with your assessment. This site has had some really strong planning and thought put into it. They also have many books I have never even heard of, and, like Derek, I suspect my "to read" list will similarly grow very lengthy.


   By Katherine Hooper on Tuesday, January 22, 2008 - 02:57 pm: Edit Post

Dear Janny Wurts and Fans,

Thank you for the compliments about FantasyLiterature.net!

I started the website last summer and have hand-picked several reviewers who share a love of excellently written fantasy literature. We are really just getting going.

One of our reviewers, John, is a particular fan of Janny's. (I believe she is his favorite author.) Eventually he'll put up more reviews. The reason there are not more is that the site is new, but he read them years ago, and it's hard to write a review for a book you read a long time ago.

I'm embarrassed to admit to you that I have not yet read any of her work, though, because of John's recommendation, she's near the top of my TBR list. I truly look forward to reading some soon!

I'm glad you've found the site helpful and hope you'll visit often!

Sincerely,
Kat
www.FanLit.net


   By Janny Wurts on Tuesday, January 22, 2008 - 03:34 pm: Edit Post

Hi Kat - welcome here - and again, an enthusiastic round of applause for your site, which I found to be superior in many ways. The display and the graphics are just gorgeous, too! I am planning to visit in more depth, when I have time, to mine for a few titles of merit I may have missed.

A wave to John - tell him, Stormed Fortress is just out in London.


   By Kat on Tuesday, January 22, 2008 - 03:38 pm: Edit Post

Thank you, Janny! May I quote you on my website? I've had a few author responses, and I'm thinking of adding those in. John will be thrilled by the wave -- I'll pass it on!


   By Clansman on Tuesday, January 22, 2008 - 04:31 pm: Edit Post

Kat:

Great website! You really have done a great job.

Start your reading with Curse of the Mistwraith. You are guaranteed to love it. You are also guaranteed to pick up Ships of Merior soon after!!! :-):-):-)

I estimate that you have several months of excellent reading in front of you. A pity you haven't discovered Janny's stuff before, but then, that's what's great about reading. You can always pick up a book, and have as much enjoyment as you would have had ten years before. Have fun! I almost wish I was reading The Wars of Light and Shadow for the first time.


   By Kat on Tuesday, January 22, 2008 - 04:43 pm: Edit Post

Actually, her books have been on my list for a long time, but my list is very long and I just haven't gotten around to them. I will now move them up.

Your comment about wishing you were reading them for the first time made me smile. I understand what you mean!!


   By Janny Wurts on Tuesday, January 22, 2008 - 05:34 pm: Edit Post

Kat - absolutely, you may quote me. This forum is quite public, and I back what I love, no holds barred.


   By Zorana Lewis on Sunday, January 27, 2008 - 03:48 pm: Edit Post

Well you've already recruited one new reader. I got Curse of the Mistwraith lent to me by my dad when I went into hospital and I'm now hooked! Since coming out I've gone out and bought the rest, and now got my entire Degree course at university reading them. lol.

But yeah, couldn't believe how long it took me to find these - looking in the bookstores, all I could find were the Empire series, and Stormed Fortress. Ended up getting most of them off of Green Metropolis.


   By Janny Wurts on Sunday, January 27, 2008 - 07:43 pm: Edit Post

Hi Zoranna Lewis - welcome here. Glad to see you're having fun, and of course, that you're back on your feet - if I might ask, what is Green Metropolis?

You must have a very interesting crowd in your degree course...:-)


   By Clansman on Monday, January 28, 2008 - 11:50 am: Edit Post

To all:

I have just been added to FantasyLiterature.net as a reviewer.

My first project: Stormed Fortress! A nice thing about the site is that the viewer can simply click on the book cover and be linked to amazon. In the case of SF, it will link directly to amazon.co.uk. I am not doing this to support Janny's books, but it is a happy coincidence for me. I am doing it to support good fantasy literature, which is what Janny writes, so I automatically get to support her books anyway.:-)

I will be reviewing other books for Kat also, and CotMW would be next, as I read it only last summer, and it is a glaring hole on the site (IMHO).

However, I won't be able to post here as often as I have. I need the time to figure out how to work "Twisted Sisters" into my review...:-)


   By Janny Wurts on Monday, January 28, 2008 - 01:20 pm: Edit Post

:-) :-) :-)

Cool for you, Clansman.

Guess we at Paravia will have to visit you on the forum topics at Fantasyliterature. They have some nice discussions going on many authors' works.

And after a lurk, there, information is so needed. It appears - at least one person who posted, as a former reader, erroneously believed my series ENDED, because they failed to see it on a shelf at a bookstore. Or hear any buzz, apparently. (Argh! bangs head.)

But now - could I start my creative week with better news???

Yeeehaaa!


   By Zorana Lewis on Monday, January 28, 2008 - 05:53 pm: Edit Post

Thanks Janny, and yeah, my degree course are an interesting bunch to put it mildly.

Green Metropolis is a website that offers second hand books for 3.75 with free delivery, which, if you can find what you're looking for, is a very good deal. I feel somewhat bad about not buying the books new, but play.com are all out of stock, and me and Amazon had a bit of a falling out (which is putting it mildly) some time ago and they blocked my account, so I can't buy through them. *grin* So yeah, good site.


   By Trys on Tuesday, January 29, 2008 - 06:17 am: Edit Post

And Green Metropolis donates 5p for every book sold to the 'Tree For All' campaign run by the Woodland Trust.


   By Janny Wurts on Thursday, January 31, 2008 - 10:39 am: Edit Post

I have a new author's page at redroom.com

Redroom provides space for registered members to write reviews of titles posted on the author's pages. Anyone who wishes to sign in and participate, or just lurk by as a visitor, here's the welcome to see what the site is about. :-)

A wave of thanks to the gryphon for superb help with the technical stuff! :-)


   By Trys on Thursday, January 31, 2008 - 11:34 am: Edit Post

You're welcome.


   By Clansman on Friday, February 01, 2008 - 09:38 am: Edit Post

Reviews of TK and SF have just appeared on FantasyLiterature.net!

By yours truly!


   By Janny Wurts on Friday, February 01, 2008 - 03:24 pm: Edit Post

:-) :-) :-)


   By DarthJazy on Wednesday, February 06, 2008 - 06:27 pm: Edit Post

hey clansman:

Just read your review was the Star Wars inuendo on purpose? I gotta know hehe


   By Clansman on Thursday, February 07, 2008 - 10:58 am: Edit Post

If there was Star Wars innuendo it was completely unintentional. I try not to slag books by reference, unless I am honestly and directly reviewing them. (I do have a rather short and highly negative review of another author on FanLit.net, but that is only because he deserved it. I was not alone in my opinion, either!)

So what innuendo did you find?


   By DarthJazy on Thursday, February 07, 2008 - 11:12 am: Edit Post

when you said there is no direct dark lord. Dark Lord would be the star wars reference as in Dark Lord of the Sith. See how much Star Wars has influenced the world hehe. Another question is how do I submit for something to be fixed on an authors page? I was serving through the site and went accross Mercedes Lackey review page. Now i admit i dont agree with the review but that niether here nor there as the books listed are said to be in order of time Line and several mistake were made in the order as well as published dates of books.


   By Clansman on Thursday, February 07, 2008 - 02:08 pm: Edit Post

Mr reference to the Dark Lord was how evil in fantasy, since Tolkien did it, has been represented by a Dark Lord. George Lucas and his cast of writers have probably unintentionally, or intentionally, borrowed the Dark Lord theme. Just look at the first Star Wars movie, and the plot is almost identical to the quest to destroy the Ring.

This Dark Lord theme, since Tolkien (with Sauron in LOTR and Melkor/Morgoth (Sauron's boss) in the Silmarillion), has been repeated over and over again, by the likes of Robert Jordan, Terry Brooks, and Dennis McKiernan (who virtually copied LOTR in his first series), and many many others who did it a whole lot worse.

I honestly never thought of Star Wars when I wrote that review, because I haven't read Star Wars books since the Timothy Zahn novels (set right after the defeat of Palpatine in Return of the Jedi). It likely applies, though the traditional Dark Lord is all-powerful, but with one horrible, incredible weakness (like the Ring in LOTR) that allows him to be defeated by some farmboy with an amazing sword or an instant knowledge of magic (just who trained Rand 'al Thor anyway???).

Once Tolkien did the Dark Lord thing, no one else should have tried. It's been done, and now it just looks ultra cheesy and unimaginative (except when I read LOTR again in about 10 years). Jordan was doing it well enough to get away with it (until he wrote too many books), but still, the idea has been done, over and over again.

My point was that the conflict in WoLaS is much more human, much more real, which makes the books more important to the reader.


   By DarthJazy on Thursday, February 07, 2008 - 02:29 pm: Edit Post

well atleast starwars dark lord was never ment to be viewed as all powerful which as you read into the story you come to see that while one on one sith tend to have more raw power they loose cause of interfighting while the jedi get there stregnth from being one group with a single purpose with none of the interfighting. hince why the sith use the rule of two and use subterfuge and the like to gain control.


   By Lyssabits on Thursday, February 07, 2008 - 05:08 pm: Edit Post

"Once Tolkien did the Dark Lord thing, no one else should have tried. It's been done, and now it just looks ultra cheesy and unimaginative "

Heh, you can count me as one who thought it was cheesy when Tolkien did it also. ;) But I'm one of the rare people who, while appreciating what a trail blazer he was, really doesn't like Tolkien.


   By Hellcat on Friday, February 08, 2008 - 05:10 am: Edit Post

If you read a bit of George Lucas' inspiration for Star Wars , he was heavily influenced by Joseph Campbell's "Hero with a Thousand Faces" and his thesis that the basic heroic story was based upon a single archetype with various plot points of which the "saving from evil or gaining a boon for mankind" was the goal/reward of the hero's quest.

I'm not sure I fully agree with Campbell's ideas but it definitely true how you can see the same themes coming repeatedly in many fantasy books.

Hellcat

PS: Campbell is very worth a read both Hero with Thousand Faces and his comparitive religion quartet. His lack of pro-Christian bias and depth makes him one of the fathers of comparitive studies of faiths.


   By Janny Wurts on Friday, February 08, 2008 - 10:13 am: Edit Post

There was a question put forward in another topic that should properly have been here, so, I will answer it here.

There is only one petition that I know of that will absolutely motivate a publisher: sales. Sales happen by the spread of awareness to other readers.

There are about five major forums on the internet that I am aware of, devoted ENTIRELY to Fantasy and SF....if you visit there, and poke about, lurking, you will quickly see why the big guys are getting bigger. And you will see which authors are growing to match them.

Threads on these general forums -- started by readers for this series -- do not exist. Or in one recent case, someone started one and it quickly fell idle. Posts for these books found in the general threads are too thin on the ground to gain momentum. Unlike here, where you all make plenty of noise, but an uninitiated reader is unlikely to visit.


   By DarthJazy on Friday, February 08, 2008 - 01:33 pm: Edit Post

I have a few friends that would love to buy your books and generate support but have a super hard time finding your books still in print in the US. even border and barnes and noble only have one or two books i ussually will find the books I want at a local bookmans. Should we order the used copies from amazon if this will help my friends who want to start reading your series will do so since we are unable to find new copies of the series. whats our best course?


   By Janny Wurts on Friday, February 08, 2008 - 02:51 pm: Edit Post

If a person is starting the series, reading new, and they cannot get the books from the UK, then, getting them used, reading a library copy - starting them any way they can is a good thing.

If a new reader enjoys the series, they are going to talk about it to friends - and that spreads out to others. :-)

The books are not generally going to be available in the US stores ON SHELVES because they are not stocked, which is because they are not in print (except, I think, for Fugitive Prince). The US Amazon lists plenty of copies available on the resell or used market. Therefore books should not be hard to acquire, from the US, except for perhaps Traitor's Knot, which had no mass market release, and of course, Stormed Fortress, only printed in London. If those loose copies sell, of course, and word of mouth keeps going, then the London editions will benefit. There would be frustration, here, that readers had to get the books from the UK, and UK numbers would rise....which creates more interest. It's getting the snowball rolling...I have not bothered with this, UNTIL NOW, because I felt the Alliance arc required the finale of Stormed Fortress.

With that bit out there, I earnestly believe this is the moment - that the series as it stands now shows the readers what it's made of, (and only going to continue to deliver, in ramping spades) and that this is a Golden opportunity to have the pretty new package in London do what it was designed to do - make the story shine!


   By Clansman on Friday, February 08, 2008 - 03:36 pm: Edit Post

What if we picked one or two of these major sites and focussed our attention? Five might be a bit much, but if we each posted to one site, maybe once a week, and told people about these awesome books, then the much-desired buzz would start. For this to work, a concerted effort would be required.

So, what are the five major sites, and which one(s) should we target?

(In anticipation of storming the battlements of publishing convention, Clansman goes looking for his lochaber axe...)


   By DarthJazy on Friday, February 08, 2008 - 05:03 pm: Edit Post

I DO do not have the time to find a site that is large enough to start posting in but if you can tell me where to go ill troll that site 8 hours a day 5 days a week and post atlest 5 times a day or ore hehe


   By Zorana Lewis on Tuesday, February 12, 2008 - 09:52 pm: Edit Post

Well even in the UK books are hard to find unless you go looking on the internet for them. I went on a little wander through Birmingham (a large city) on Monday and I found the following:

Waterstones University branch: Stormed Fortress (2 copies) only.
Waterstones New Street branch: Stormed Fortress (2 copies), Traitor's Knot ( 1 copy) and Fugitive Prince (1 copy).
Waterstones High Street branch: Stormed Fortress (3 copies), Curse of the Mistwraith (1 copy) and Ships of Merior. (1 copy)
Borders: Stormed Fortress (2 copies)and Traitor's Knot. (2 copies)
WHSmith High Street: Don't sell them.
WHSmith New Street Station: Don't sell them.

Point is, if the books aren't available to entice the casual reader who might spot it in the shops and be interested, then how are they supposed to know about the series? Or if they're a pain to get hold of - which they are, unless you use Play.com, who have miraculously just got them all back in stock - then most people aren't going to bother.


   By Janny Wurts on Wednesday, February 13, 2008 - 01:13 pm: Edit Post

Zorana - play.com got restocked because you told me it had sold out of copies, and I tackled it by request through my publisher. If I know, then I can do something. :-)

Computer auto reorder, these days, often determines whether books stay on shelves. To get that, the titles have to reach a certain number of sales per month. As you noticed, if the book is not on the shelf, it can't get seen, or bought - to reverse this, people need to know about the book (see it mentioned, reviewed, or hear of it from a friend) They have to ask for it - orders for books will trigger auto reorder status, if it happens with any frequency at all, because the computer figures, with difficulty ordering, the title is missing sales....so orders COUNT, and orders close together can reverse a book not being easily available.

I know this is the way it works in the USA, can't be all that different in the UK, etc.

One thing that can bounce a title OFF the auto reorder list, is, temporary out of stock at the publisher's or distributer's end. The computer sees no sales, and so, the title is dropped. Nobody takes time to "fix" the figure, or take into account why the title dropped off...too many titles, and the computer isn't smart.

I have certainly had books fall off of auto reorder in the past, when stock levels dropped, in merger messes.

It goes back to - awareness of the title in question. Enough people hear of it, ask for it, order it - bingo! :-)

Thanks for your impressive inventory!


   By Clansman on Friday, February 15, 2008 - 12:43 pm: Edit Post

After ranting a bit above, and completing some research, I have started a thread on Science Fiction Fantasy Chronicles website, and others of you may wish to join the website and participate the discussion, and start some threads of your own. If Janny gets five threads (she currently has one) then she gets an author forum.

I need the rest of you to participate to make this work. Otherwise, I'll just be a lone voice in the wilderness, and that will really tick me off.

Here is the address for the thread I started:
http://www.sffchronicles.co.uk/forum/43970-janny-wurts-most-under-recognized-fan tasy-author.html

[From the moderator: Please read this entire thread regarding netiquette at the referenced site.]

Please contribute to the thread, and start some new threads of your own, perhaps related to specific books (a Stormed Fortress thread would be a good idea). It will only cost a bit of time, not money.

(Message edited by admin on February 23, 2008)


   By Adam Bradbury on Tuesday, February 19, 2008 - 01:59 am: Edit Post

Clansman,

Great thread you started at:

http://www.sffchronicles.co.uk/forum/43970-janny-wurts-most-under-recognized-fan tasy-author.html

[From the moderator: Please read this entire thread regarding netiquette at the referenced site.]

I just posted on it myself. We really do need to start spreading the word about's Janny's works out in the wider community.

I really wouldn't like to imagine a world without her books being on my local bookstores shelves.

(Message edited by admin on February 23, 2008)


   By DarthJazy on Tuesday, February 19, 2008 - 12:01 pm: Edit Post

done


   By DarthJazy on Tuesday, February 19, 2008 - 12:14 pm: Edit Post

Why doesn't HarperCollins America carry Janny?


   By Clansman on Wednesday, February 20, 2008 - 09:41 am: Edit Post

'Cause they are idiots.

Anyway, a new thread by another poster has popped up on sffchronicles.co.uk. It is about Janny and character development. Excellent fodder for discussion, should you fellow fans be so inclined to head that way. The link is:

http://www.sffchronicles.co.uk/forum/44058-janny-wurts-and-character-development .html

[From the moderator: Please read this entire thread regarding netiquette at the referenced site.]

Please keep this up. The other thread is a couple of days old and has well over 20 posts, and only 2 from me.

(Message edited by admin on February 23, 2008)


   By alexith on Wednesday, February 20, 2008 - 09:34 pm: Edit Post

Well I have added my 2 1/2 cents to both of the threads. I think it was a good idea to carry the discussion onto that broader forum.


   By Mark Stephen Kominski on Wednesday, February 20, 2008 - 10:49 pm: Edit Post

Me, too. Now if only 25,000 of our closest friends would just do the same....


   By Clansman on Thursday, February 21, 2008 - 09:51 am: Edit Post

It would be good if several more of you would start threads at ssfchronicles.co.uk (at least three). This way, Janny will get a dedicated author's thread, which is really important for exposure and getting the right information out about her writing.

Look at all the topics we have on this page alone to choose from. Pick any that interest you, or use new ideas. My immediate, off-the-cuff suggestions:

1. Sulfin Evend & Lysaer's redemption could be blended quite nicely, and could be expanded into a discussion on corruption and sympathetic "bad" guys generally. Before I get hammered, note the quotes on "bad".

2. Elaira and the Koriathain and Moriel Prime. The role of women generally in WoLaS.

3. WoLaS: how fantasy has grown up from just being about a farm boy with a magic sword and a kindly old wizard who disappears when things get tough.

4. WoLaS: unintended parallels with current events (i.e. The War on Terror).

5. Stormed Fortress: what a cool and amazing and brilliant and compelling book it is (add your own adjective).

And that's just off the top of my head. However, if the same person keeps starting new threads, they lose a bit of their power.

Come on people! We've got a little momentum, so let's make it a lot of momentum (please, no political references).


   By Clansman on Thursday, February 21, 2008 - 05:19 pm: Edit Post

Regarding my last post, I should point out that it would be appropriate for people to only join ssfchronicles.co.uk in good faith. In other words, don't join just to raise awareness about the WoLaS, but rather join to be a contributor in that community in other topics as well.

It was pointed out to me quite bluntly (check it out at the link above) that just to join to raise awareness about WoLaS is a kind of spamming. I did not intend to do that. I did intend, and do intend, to talk about Janny's books. I also intend to talk about other authors there. In my enthusiasm in the above posts, I did not mention that. I certainly do not wish to bring Janny's name into disrepute, so if you are inclined to join in, do so as a true member of that community, and comment in other threads as well.

I went there to tell other like-minded people about great books. That is what all of us should do. It is also good to step out of the safe confines of our favourite author's webpage and talk to others about how good she is, and maybe face a little rough going.

Just a thought.


   By Jeffrey L Watson on Saturday, February 23, 2008 - 04:58 pm: Edit Post

An FYI: I added admin messages the posts above that has the links to the forum containing threads about Janny's works. These were added so that anyone new coming into the topic will read the full extent of how to post over there. That an influx of people who only post in those threads and no others is not acceptable behavior.

A disclaimer: Opinions expressed in this forum are those of the posters and not endorsed by either the moderator of the forum or by Janny Wurts. Any negative or inflammatory remarks should not be interpreted as an effort by either of us to denigrate the publishing industry. The remarks are allowed to remain in the spirit of free speech.

Jeffrey L Watson

(Message edited by admin on February 23, 2008)


   By Clansman on Tuesday, February 26, 2008 - 05:08 pm: Edit Post

Posted an SF review on sffchronicles:

http://www.sffchronicles.co.uk/forum/44211-janny-wurts-stormed-fortress.html

Take a peek!


   By Clansman on Friday, March 07, 2008 - 06:18 pm: Edit Post

Hello? Anybody else out there on the Chrons? There's a few, namely Grimward, dekket, churning away. Others are most heartily welcome to join us. with a new Janny thread. I don't want to start too many of my own, as it gets a bit old for some of the unenlightened.


   By Greebo on Tuesday, March 11, 2008 - 02:46 am: Edit Post

Heh - I'll join up - just had a little look on there and it looks amazing. Plenty of interesting places for me to lurk, read and post. :-) My opportunities to comment can be limited as I am on half-speed dial-up and I have to watch my power consumption (limit computer use) as I live in the wilds and we are on solar. Having said that I will definitely be participating when I can. Good luck all.
Cheers
Jules
The Lizard of Oz


   By Clansman on Wednesday, March 19, 2008 - 04:09 pm: Edit Post

Greebo:

Are you The Procrastinator?


   By Greebo on Wednesday, March 19, 2008 - 10:07 pm: Edit Post

I is. :-)


   By Greebo on Thursday, March 27, 2008 - 03:10 am: Edit Post

Hey Clanny dude:
Just a thought, but I wouldn't worry too much yet about getting Janny a sub-topic on the Chrons. If we want more public awareness, or just to remind people about Janny, then having the Janny threads out in plain view in the general topics is probably just where they should be. :-)


   By Clansman on Thursday, March 27, 2008 - 08:13 am: Edit Post

You are absolutely right, which is the reason for my second post on that thread requesting a dedicated sub-topic.

I jumped the gun a wee bit (okay, a lot!). The one who agreed on the page, I think, was more interested in there NOT being Janny posts in the General Discussion.


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