Janny Wurts Chat Area: Arc 3: Alliance of Light: Fugitive Prince, Grand Conspiracy; Peril's Gate & Traitor's Knot: Traitors Knot Discussions: Spoiler Topics: Musings

   By Lyssabits on Wednesday, July 13, 2005 - 12:10 pm: Edit Post

I think that there were so many other ways that Arithon and Elaira could have been kept apart that this method was clearly a distinct choice. ;) Elaira needn't have been given that order in the first place. I mean, Morriel's tried that tact before, and failed, so both Elaira and Arithon would be expecting something sneaky. I like that she's recaptured the element of surprise by using misdirection, and I think there's a lot more up her sleeve. If the trap had been completely disarmed, Elaira would have been recalled.

My personal belief is that is wasn't the author not knowing what to do, but rather, that Janny is a tease. ;) I mean, I'm sure this is going to lead us somewhere eventually, but for now, this is probably the meanest thing she could do to those of us heavily invested in Elaira's and Arithon's romance, and I think she enjoys teasing us. Goodness knows I would in her place. Nothing quite like the howls of frustrated readers to warm your heart. ;)

I have to say that I thought it was a fairly ingenious idea of Selidie's, and despite what a crazy mean woman I think she is, I enjoy the fact that she's not deterred, and that she's so clever. I've always kind of had a soft spot for Morriel, I'm not sure why. She's one of those villians you love to hate, because she's not completely evil, there are pitiable things about her and things to respect about her. Makes for a person whom you'll never agree with, but can never completely despise. And makes you look forward to the day when your hero finally defeats her for good. Because humbling someone easily is no fun at all.

   By Auna on Wednesday, July 13, 2005 - 01:34 pm: Edit Post

This was an awesome scene for me because I was anxiously hoping the intervention could happen in time and sweating that Dakar wouldn't find them in time because of course I didn't want the Koriani to win! And though it was awful to read, I was relieved that Dakar got there in time to 'save the day'. Then, later, Dakar gets slapped upside the head about his lack of trust by Elaira. Well, I as the reader also felt shamed too for my part. And I realized that post Kewar, Arithon is vastly more self reliant and definitely should be trusted. The end of the book also re-emphasizes that to me the reader as well as the Fellowship.

So, for me the scene had a ton of meaning and is setting up a lot of stuff for the future.

I also thought it perfectly reasonable to keep the two separate after the sigil was becoming activated since you do not want to ever understimate Morriel/Selidie. I also think she would do well to not understimate Arithon/Elaira!

   By Jeffrey L Watson on Wednesday, July 13, 2005 - 05:12 pm: Edit Post

The flame posts have been deleted and will not be tolerated!

   By Selene on Thursday, July 14, 2005 - 06:07 am: Edit Post

These messages always make me wish I were in another time zone so I could read the posts before they were deleted. Perhaps that's just me, incessantly curious *g*

Many forums I frequent forbid attacks _ad hominem_. What exactly are the rules here, I'm wondering? The few times I read posts that were later deleted, they seemed simply critical. If this place practices censoring, I would like to know.


   By Jeffrey L Watson on Thursday, July 14, 2005 - 10:39 am: Edit Post


The posts that were recently deleted essentially said unkind things about Janny and were done in total anonymity (an unregistered name without e-mail)... not that it would have much difference to my deleting them. The anonymity in my opinion is indicative of a personality that feels the need to lash out but won't stand behind their words.

Previous ones that I deleted were 'beating a dead horse' in regards to the US edition of TK.

The following is not an attack on you but you asked so here it is as forthright as I can give it.

There are no hard and fast rules. But think of this Chat Area as being an extra room in my home. Anything that I consider to be inappropiate for my living room is inappropriate here. People visiting here should act with all due respect and consideration just as if they were in my living room.

Thoughtful and considerate posts on virtually any subject (as long as they are in the appropriate topics) are acceptable (there are subjects that are not allowed and I see no reason to give examples). But when the posts are nothing more than complaints that neither Janny nor I can address then they are inappropriate and will be deleted.

Is that censorship? That's for you to decide. The definition of the word is hazy at best (i.e., one person's censorship is another person's consideration).

On the other hand, anyone is free to setup their own little corner of the internet and run it how they see fit.

With all of that said, let me add that I greatly enjoy having all of you come and visit Janny (and me) here and it is a pleasure to maintain this area. But I must say when all the crap was flying through here prior to TK's release, I was very, very, very, very close to shutting it down because of the unpleasant apprehension of finding more unreasonable (at least in my opinion) complaints everytime I logged in. So to avoid those kinds of feelings I've been much more diligent about not allowing nasty threads to grow.

Jeff Watson

   By skeoke on Thursday, July 14, 2005 - 02:05 pm: Edit Post

:sending good thoughts, love and support to counteract above deleted posts:

   By neilw on Friday, July 15, 2005 - 03:57 am: Edit Post

Mr. Watson,

Please don't shut this site down at least not before the final arc :-)

Allow me to step in and manage it for bit while you cool down and when you're calm again you could take up the reigns again.

If there is not a Janny site, someone would need to create one. Hence shutting it down would not solve the problems ;-) They would just reappear on another site...

Thanks for existing by the way ;-) I tend to thank you once a year I think? Hope that's enough ;-)

   By Jeffrey L Watson on Friday, July 15, 2005 - 04:17 am: Edit Post


I'm quite calmed down after the storm earlier this year and I now have a better understanding of how to manage them. I've no plans to shut this Chat Area down I was just trying to explain what will prompt me to delete posts. :-)

And yes your thanks are enough and I do remember you saying thanks before.

And please, no need to call me Mr Watson, granted I'm the eldest left in my immediate family but still... <grin>


   By Selene on Saturday, July 16, 2005 - 04:44 am: Edit Post


I don't feel attacked of course. :-) I think all good forums are moderated because there are always trolls who come along only for the sake of causing troubles and I certainly agree that any attacks _ad hominem_ should be deleted.

I don't know if your rules can be defined censorship because I don't know what you're deleting, really, and you have not told me what topics are forbidden either. But the living rooom analogy strikes me as appropriate. :-)


   By Iris Timm on Wednesday, July 20, 2005 - 05:59 pm: Edit Post


Thanks for everything. And to those who take the time to contribute insightful and funny posts, thanks. This is the most amazing chat site I have found. A thought-provoking group of members, productive and meaningful discussions, (not to mention funny) all have added tremendously to my enjoyment of Janny's work. If the burden gets heavy, I too will help...just let me know.


   By Trys on Thursday, July 21, 2005 - 04:20 am: Edit Post


Thanks for the offer and the kind words.


   By max on Monday, July 25, 2005 - 02:44 am: Edit Post

Sooo... Well I have finished the book this week and I have to say I have never been so hard on a book before in my life! Read most of it in the hammock under trees that shed year round and shed a wet leaf on one page, another several pages have a spot of red kool-aid on them. I fell asleep one day and the book fell out of the hammock. My daughter's dog was laying in the hammock and took to scratching around for a more comfortable position, but that mark is almost invisible. ILOVED IT!! [to death] I was afraid the poor volume wasn't going to make it to the end but it's OK. Thank you Janny. Between your book and the hammock it was a wonderful shortie, vacation. Your poetic use of language has embroidered a world of fey beauty and savage mystery. The hours I spent reading were well spent.

   By Janny Wurts on Monday, July 25, 2005 - 10:36 am: Edit Post

Max - good thing you had the MM version - it could stand up to the hammering....and did, I've no doubt.

(and thanks, blush)

   By Neil on Monday, July 10, 2006 - 06:08 am: Edit Post

If I read it right Davien was rendered discorporate over 100 years after the fall of the high kingdoms...if this action on the part of the other F6 (Ciladis went missing when exactly?!? and what does "least shielded" mean?) was done as a consequence of Davien instigating the uprising, why did it take so long to catch up with him?

The drake dreaming that called the fellowship was - in TK appendix - referred to as the "second dreaming"...what was the first? When the drake spawn were created? Did the drakes only "do" 2 dreamings?!?

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