Janny Wurts Chat Area: Arc 3: Alliance of Light: Fugitive Prince, Grand Conspiracy; Peril's Gate & Traitor's Knot: Traitors Knot Discussions: Spoiler Topics: Iyats

   By neilw on Wednesday, June 29, 2005 - 06:52 am: Edit Post

Yep I think that electromagnetism forms part of the Athera infrastructure.

Frequency and wave length is something the F7 and Arithon would understand. Whilst Arithon may have used sound waves whilst without mage sight, he like the fellowship, I suppose, can see and understand electromagnetic wavelengths beyond the naked human eye.

Sethvir has books on celestial mechanics and I suspect Moriel has enough stored info. to understand navigation in space...perhaps part of her responsibility is to remember where the Atheran humans came from (or even where they are in the "galaxy"). I guess that this sort of historical info has been lost by the towns in 500 years?

   By Auna on Wednesday, June 29, 2005 - 12:06 pm: Edit Post

Most likely the original refugees willingly tossing all dangerous knowledge of the old ways that might have been written down and agreed in the compact not to perpetuate it through oral tradition. Daily struggle to survive would further reduce any knowledge until it wound up being more of a 'we came from a scary bad place' type of knowledge.

   By Wendy Collett on Wednesday, June 29, 2005 - 06:24 pm: Edit Post

Look at how people reacted to the sun's reappearance and didn't believe in it beforehand, it was just for tales - that was only 500 years or so.

Still, I can imagine that not everyone 'knew' celestial mechanics in the first place - perhaps not even the original Koriani, it should have been a specialised field of knowledge, which the F7 as scientists knew from their time. Koriani are listed as 'advisors to leaders', from using their powers for merciful good or whatever, not necessarily as celstial scientists.

   By Auna on Wednesday, June 29, 2005 - 08:45 pm: Edit Post

That's a good point. I wonder just how detailed the knowledge is that is stored in the waystone. I always imagined it would be like tossing each of us on a new planet and saying here, record your sum total of knowledge to pass down in case we want to resurrect it later.

In theory however, the stone could be used like holographic storage with the near infinite harmonics that make up the magic. That would still require a ton of people to encompass the sheer scope of a complex scientifically advanced civilization.

I swooned when Sethvir whipped out the chalk and worked out the celestial navigation coordinates to Marak as fast as he did to light up that homing beacon, like some quickie back of the envelope calculation. Wish we could nab him for NASA work! I could have used him as my personal Cray computer when I was in school, hehe! ;)

   By Wendy Collett on Wednesday, June 29, 2005 - 09:15 pm: Edit Post

How about this: Suppose the Waystone has been around for about 5,000 years or give or take, as was already in existence for some time before it came to Athera.

On a couple of points - I'm trying to think just what kind of knowledge that was recorded 5,000 years ago on Earth that I really want to use in daily life (relevancy), but also without the cultural and knowledge basis contexts and other contexts, would the data make sense even if I could access it?

Now - add on top of that this stone is already glitched like a really nasty AI that has holograms and visions (before the iyat).

Lots of different women (actually I'm assuming here that the Korani order was only ever women, don't recall seeing anything to say it was both male/female) have been using the 'computer' tool/waystone for lots of different causes/uses.

It's been learning all that while, but many different 'operators' have been inputting data in different ways. Not only that, but failure to use to specified standards has caused computer error to suck life (soul?) from faulty users, so that they become part of the constantly learning AI/computer matrix.

This faulty computer is ALIVE, because as we found out PG, crystals have preferences etc, and the waystone has been 'dominated', not 'used'.

One faulty (mad) crystal just had new data input added (the iyat) - much, much different from any other previous failed operator, or enforced domination.

Presumably the waystone (unlike a human necessarily) can draw on the information stored in it in proper context, and as it is living (but only dominated when used), and has a live 'being' (the iyat) inside of it, well....

I'll have to read the sections again, but there are some interesting possibilities here, especially if the iyat ever got out. Could it take/contain part/all of the waystone (consciousness) with it?

   By Blue on Wednesday, June 29, 2005 - 09:23 pm: Edit Post




I think Morriel/Selidie needs to contact Norton or McAfee and get herself one heck of a virus scan/removal program ASAP. Considering the mischievous nature of Iyats, she might also want to get spyware removal as well as a spam blocker.

Could you imagine that Iyat subjecting the Koriani to SPAM? What better way to frustrate/aggravate Morriel/Selidie than to have a constant barrage of ads for viagra, bogus lotteries, spy cameras, and all the other crappola that comes through our e mail? With the frustration of the average computer user on the internet, let alone someone as old and spiteful as Morriel/Selidie, that Iyat would never be hungry again.

   By Hunter on Wednesday, June 29, 2005 - 11:21 pm: Edit Post


Wendy - we know the Great Waystone has been on Athera since Third Age Year 1 - we're now in Third Age Year 5670 so it's at least that old.

In Grand Conspiracy, Morriel is trying to upset the lane flux and break the Fellowship's compact to restore humanity's former spacefaring civilization. So there is all sorts of information contained *somewhere* in the Koriani archives - may not be the Great Waystone. It is definitely something only known by the current Prime. It's possibly the Great Waystone as mastering the Great Waystone is part of the right of succession to the become the new Prime.

The Great Waystone had prior to coming to Athera, been regularly cleansed (not sure what this means) but has not been on Athera - hence the build up of cantankerous failed Primes and the brooding malice of the abused stone. It could not be cleared otherwise precious and irreplacable information would be lost. Perhaps on previous worlds the Koriani had the technology to clear and store data - such technology either did not come with the Koriani, was destroyed as worlds were destroyed or, quite possibly, were proscribed by the Compact and had to be left behind.

The Fellowship use crystals for imprinting information (as Sethvir does when he's not sure he'll survive for Asandir's return) so it's entirely possible the Koriani have done the same - albeit via very different methods.

On a side note, has anyone else noted that the origin of iyats was changed in the glossary to TK from what was previously an energy sprite "native to Athera" to an energy sprite "and minor drakespawn".. prsumably non-native?

   By Wendy Collett on Thursday, June 30, 2005 - 04:41 am: Edit Post

Blue - couldn't happen to a more deserving person! IYAT SPAM, hehehe fun for all who really deserve it ...

Really, sounds like the Waystone needs a good defrag, a reindex, and a hard reboot to clear the RAM, to help get the 'bug' - read 'iyat' out of the system. i know, bad pun, but seemed appropriate lol :-)

Ah well, we know that Arithon can 'hear' crystals and find their vibration from when he played to Lirenda's captured crystal. If the K actually manage to capture him (as per original forecasting by K back in Fourthmark), they better ensure he isn't within miles of the thing or he will hear it, and work on both it AND the iyat..

Oh yeah, getting back to that forecast - Morriel was supposed to be mapping out the lessons to Lirenda to make sure it all did not come to pass. Has anyone else noticed that no matter what she has tried, it's happened anyway? It has become as immutable as one of Dakar's unremembered prophecies...

Hunter - weren't the drakes native to Athera anyway, so anything they created on that planet were also native, ergo?

   By Hunter on Thursday, June 30, 2005 - 05:23 am: Edit Post

Wendy - the drakes are native. The issues is that the drakes created the drakespawn - rather than by Ath Creator. I would think they are therefore outside of "sanctioned" creation and therefore bad.

Whether the Drakes are native to Athera is a good question. Probably a reasonable assumption but not necessarily correct. We just don't know enough at this time.

   By neilw on Thursday, June 30, 2005 - 07:53 am: Edit Post

"bad" ?!? This is iffy word for someone so familiar with Athera :-)

   By Hunter on Thursday, June 30, 2005 - 07:58 am: Edit Post

Hmm true... :-)

   By David Gardner on Friday, July 01, 2005 - 07:53 am: Edit Post


I assumed (always bad, I know, but hey :-)) that the reason why the Korani had not cleansed the Waystone was not due to lack of knowledge, but rather the lack of suitable hosts... they don't want to transfer their forbidden knowledge into a crystal mined on Athera, as then it would be subject to a different kind of cleansing (by the Fellowship).

Delurkin' David.

   By Auna on Friday, July 01, 2005 - 12:13 pm: Edit Post

Hehe, just let them try to transfer information to an unwilling Athera crystal and see how fast the Fellowship comes to 'free' it!

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