Archive through October 26, 2005

Janny Wurts Chat Area: Arc 3: Alliance of Light: Fugitive Prince, Grand Conspiracy; Peril's Gate & Traitor's Knot: Traitors Knot Discussions: Spoiler Topics: Arithon on the slab...: Archive through October 26, 2005
   By Blue on Wednesday, July 13, 2005 - 09:22 pm: Edit Post

Spoilers just in case

Interesting the parallels being made between the trips Kamridian and Arithon took through Kewar, the resolutions [Kamridian died, Arithon was able to survive and redeem himself] and the F7's experience with the Dragons [Drakes, what have you].

What I am wondering is, exactly WHAT did Kamridian do that he was unable to reconcile himself to, and die of his conscience for?

Arithon's story we know [or think we do, right Janny? ;) ] and what he felt guilty about and why he almost died several times for, which was remorse/depression.

The F7 destroyed all of human civilization, but were called by the Dragons to be weapons against the spawn and save the Paravians from extinction. Oddly enough, the beings the F7 were brought in to save saved them in return, and redeemed them.

Fast forward x,000 years, and you have the remnants of humanity discovering Athera, and begging for sanctuary.

How did the F7 react? How would they have reacted had they not been redeemed by the Paravians?

The Dragons, we can presume, were gone by this time - dead or on vacation somewhere. Would they have objected to the human presence?

What was the Paravian reaction to human presence? Did any of them despair when some of the human population went mad? Since Athera is more or less their world, did the Paravians have any objections to human presence? Surely there were seers amongst them who could have predicted that humans were a rather unruly and untameable lot. What would have prompted them to tell the F7 that yes, the humans could stay, but only under certain conditions? Could it have been compassion for the remnants of a once proud, if short-sighted people? Was it the love of Ath that could have prompted them to allow human settlement and try to redeem them as well as the F7? Were they not paying attention to Davien, who likely warned them of the problems humans could cause?

   By Trys on Thursday, July 14, 2005 - 04:17 am: Edit Post


Spoilers just in case

Thank you Blue.

   By neilw on Friday, July 15, 2005 - 03:51 am: Edit Post

"Spoilers just in case".

Sean, You've now given me this thought:

With respect to Davien's "havens". I think that Davien removed the high kingdoms ("Arithon's 500" - the havens) to avoid having to kill humanity (Arithon's Dier Kenton Vale) due to foreseen instability of the social system.

(Davien admits to have failed thus humanity is still at risk).

Maybe this has been discussed before but I have not considered humanity = Arithons "30,000" before...

If the high kingdoms were in place, there would be no Arithon with shadow or Lysaer with light. (both still needed to deal with mistwraith; Arithon foreseen to redeem the free wraiths(FP))

   By Sean Monahan on Friday, July 15, 2005 - 08:57 pm: Edit Post

I'm not sure how I gave you that thought Neilw, but I'll take whatever credit you give me. : )

   By Andrew Ginever on Saturday, July 16, 2005 - 03:20 pm: Edit Post

Spoilers just in case

Neil, I like the idea as it would make things much clearer as to Davien's motivation.

As an added point, I think you could also consider humanity to be Lysaer's "30,000" as you'd have to say by the series so far that he's prepared to kill them all just to get at Arithon (though he does seem to suffer in private for it).

   By neilw on Tuesday, July 19, 2005 - 09:18 am: Edit Post

spillers spillers spillers

I thought maybe it had been discussed and I might have inadvertently been repeating something I had read and then forgot...

But for me, Davien toppled the high kings(uprising=havens) to try to save humanity(he failed as did Arithon in Dier Kenton)...back in Mistwraith he was referred to as being against dynastic sucession...recently he has said that he believes the system to be unstable...

But how did he come to a different conclusion to the other F7 members?

Was being rendered disporporate a way in which the F7 stopped him from meddling again with Rockfell (he released the iyats)?

   By Juliana on Tuesday, October 25, 2005 - 05:13 pm: Edit Post

Was the necromancers induction scene at the end of Traitor's Knot the same event that Morriel Prime sees in a vision in one of the early books?

   By Hunter on Tuesday, October 25, 2005 - 05:23 pm: Edit Post

Hmm.... I would have thought the events aboard Evenstar in TK showed Arithon had lost the hard edge of his tongue, courtesy of the fundamental changes from his sojourn with Davien in Kewar?

   By Izzy on Tuesday, October 25, 2005 - 11:38 pm: Edit Post


I believe that the vision that Morriel had was of Arithon chained but under Koriani power/control/restraint... Yet again I can't recall exactly :-)



   By Hunter on Wednesday, October 26, 2005 - 09:50 am: Edit Post


Juiana.. I don't believe so.. in Morriel's vision, Arithon is making fun of his captor(s) - be they Koriani or other.. the passage talks about a tower dungeon and captive in iron. Not sure any iron was used in TK.

In TK, his position on the slab could not really be described as any form of merriment or an opportunity for witty wepartee..