Archive through April 25, 2006

Janny Wurts Chat Area: Arc 3: Alliance of Light: Fugitive Prince, Grand Conspiracy; Peril's Gate & Traitor's Knot: Traitors Knot Discussions: Spoiler Topics: Davien and grimwards..: Archive through April 25, 2006
   By Hunter on Saturday, April 22, 2006 - 10:48 pm: Edit Post

From all we've learnt (so far) about Davien, it appears Davien still has the best interests of Athera and Paravian preservation as his priority.

So, with Morriel deranging the world's magnetic flux and the carnage this is wreaking through Sethvir as he tries to stabilize the grimwards, given Davien can see into grimwards (he knew when Asandir was returning) I'm really wondering whether there is something about those grimwards that Davien knows that Sethvir/Asandir do not.

I have a half formed thought about whether Davien views them as anywhere near as unstable as Sethvir and Asandir do? If he thought a freed drake haunt would destroy the world, I think Davien would have bestirred himself before now to lend assistance?

As Davien's involvement has increased through Alliance of Light, one can only hope he has more book time in SF!


   By Neil on Monday, April 24, 2006 - 03:13 am: Edit Post

My feeling is that Davien can see that the F6 *do* still have the resource to deal with such issues albeit a little risky.

Davien is back, for sure. What he is up to is anyone's guess...the compact he has to support but the kingdoms less so...


   By Róisín on Monday, April 24, 2006 - 04:50 am: Edit Post

Hunter: those grimwards are curious - they are capable of immense destruction, but also they are the reason the Paravians came into being on Athera. Makes for a nice paradox.

Without the grimwards, would the Paravians have existed, or continue to exist?


   By Wendy Collett on Monday, April 24, 2006 - 07:37 pm: Edit Post

I don't think it was the grimwards themselves that the Paravians came to heal, the dragons must still have been alive at the time of Paravians coming to heal the land of the damage the dragons caused, because this is why the F7 were drawn to Athera by the dragons - to protect the Paravians.

Good question in the last week or so - if there are only 18 known grimwards, were there only 18 dragons, ever? Can't be, so where are the rest?

We know they had young (as per the dragon skull ward brought from Hanshire) - which by the way, seems does NOT need a grimward where plain (lead, was it? Just like kryptonite? but perhaps warded by Koriani since they 'lost' it in the uprising) metal contains a baby dragon.

The Koriani had such a relationship with the Hanshire town council as they surely knew where that dragon skull ward was.... otherwise Hanshire didn't use it for 500 years? Yeah, right. So why didn't Moriel get it back, huh?

Anyway, getting back to the topic here, if there were 18 grimwards on the planet, but some are on Kathtairr as I can't find them all on the map (think this was also mention in FP), and the Paravians 'never went to Kathtairr' in all the years to heal the dragon damage there (think this was mentioned in FP also when Arithon gives up searching the continent), who or WHAT set up the grimwards on Kathtairr?

Does this imply that dragons had their own way of seeing off their dead 'safely'?

That there was no way they could manage the last 18 of them? Not all of them were last to fall surely, as Eckracken seemed to be an early casualty.

The Paravians created the grimwards to contain the haunted dreaming of dead dragons.

So Roisin, I think the Paravians would have existed, but without Grimwards, the world (including Paravians) may not continue to exist.


   By Wendy Collett on Monday, April 24, 2006 - 07:50 pm: Edit Post

Continuing on....

quote /The Paravians created the grimwards to contain the haunted dreaming of dead dragons.

We have spirit Paravians, spirit F7 members, spirits of humans (ghosts), mistwraiths.

No spirit dragons?
No ability of dragons to appear after death and interact with the future in a reasonable manner a la the Paravians from Daon Ramons Barren at Jeiret's death?

Hmmmmm....


And while on a topic related to both dragons AND Davien, I read a particular paragraph in PG last night - in the 'Invalid' chapter where Ath's adept tells Kevor how he can heal himself. In paraphrasing, it describes a conflict within clouds the will and may prevent the 'right to wholeness'.

Consider this as spirit - if you have a conflict within, you can't 'cross over' back to a body state to regenerate your body, even temporarily like Davien apparently can. Admittedly probably only an F7 spirit etc may be able to do so... but...

If Davien managed over the course of 500 years solitude to resolve the conflict in his spirit over the uprising which was the cause of his discorporation, then maybe this is the key.

Traith can't remember the original battle with the mistwraith at South Gate, and isn't whole, probably is in some conflict and doubt on what happened, so can't repair his own spirit/body.

I haven't figured out Khardamon or Luhaine yet.

So therefore, what about dragons? IF there are spirits of dragons, and trapped in grimwards, could they not be healed also?

Just a few thoughts for today.... :-)


   By Trys on Tuesday, April 25, 2006 - 04:06 am: Edit Post


quote:

If Davien managed over the course of 500 years solitude to resolve the conflict in his spirit over the uprising which was the cause of his discorporation, then maybe this is the key.


I seem to remember a reference to Davien disliking the discorporate state and since he created things with his hands... but that is interpretation on my part.


quote:

Traith can't remember the original battle with the mistwraith at South Gate, and isn't whole, probably is in some conflict and doubt on what happened, so can't repair his own spirit/body.


If memory serves, part of Traith's essence is trapped with Desh-thiere in Rockfell Pit. Traith's healing and the resolution of the Mistwraith are tied together I would think.

Trys


   By Neil on Tuesday, April 25, 2006 - 04:17 am: Edit Post

Arithon asked about Davien's discorporate status and Davien said that he disliked the state and "who can put limits on determined creativity?" (end of PG)

Would Davien have had to ask permission of Athera to lend him matter wherever he needs it? Or does he transfer / come back to the same "atoms"? Or is he simply part of the land anyway? Maybe the physical boundaries don't really need to be that finely drawn?


   By skeoke on Tuesday, April 25, 2006 - 07:20 am: Edit Post

SPOILERS SPOILERS probable SPOILERS

And how 'on earth' did Davien transfer a corporate Arithon from the tunnels of Kewar to a corporate presense on his ship at sea through the eagle?????

As much puzzling as Davien's corporate/discorporate status invites, this bit blows them all to pieces (in my tiny mind, anyway.)


   By Timothy on Tuesday, April 25, 2006 - 09:10 am: Edit Post

I would guess that the fellowship are all capable of transfering objects over short distances. I know that at least Sethvir was able to prepare the energies that transferred Asandir and Arithon from a balcony in Etarra into the armory in COTW. For longer distances, they would traditionally need a significant amount of energy, which they would get from the lane flux. As for how Davien did it... that I have no idea. I think the key has something to do with that rock chamber that has no entry with a fountain. I'm betting there's something about the chamber that we do not know yet.


   By skeoke on Tuesday, April 25, 2006 - 11:06 am: Edit Post

Forgot about the other transfers. Thanks.

"ready .... reach" or something like that.

And of course Kevor also transferred.

When Davien took Elaira for a 'flight', did her physical self remain in Ath's grove? I keep wanting to compare Elaira's flight and Arithon's. I would also very much like to see Arithon tumbling out of the sky onto the deck of the ship. It's a great stunt set up.