There shall be good news forthcoming soon, for this title, and the first volume in the next story arc...
Janny, please see my post above, dated March 25, 2005...
I want to know now!
In fact, I want to read it now.
Well, I haven't read Traitor's knot yet since it hasn't come out in the States... so I still have a book ahead of me. It's such a good feeling to know you have something to read.
Way to go Janny...
If there is news soon...well...that's already good :-)
"That 4th arc" ...I'm wondering just what Lysaer and Arithon can get up to next...
We still don't know where the paravians and drakes are...what's beyond the North and South Gates...what will happen if the free wraiths get to Athera (although this seems a likely candidate for a fellowship drakebound-forced decision moment)...how to put to rest the mistwraith...surely this should become a priority for Arithon though I guess the clans come first since the mistwraith is tucked up in rockfell for the moment? And what is Davien's next priority I wonder? Where do the desert born fit in to the compact? And so on...
Uh, Neil, Marak and the greater portion of the Mistwraith is beyond South Gate...
West Gate, we know leads to the World of the Red Desert, so I guess it is East and North Gates that have yet to be explored... if that is within Janny's plans.
One would also think the completion of the Fellowship's tasks might get a run but I'm thinking that is perhaps an Arc V story element..
We're in the Third Age.. the prologue in Curse was in the Seventh Age.. will we see anything of Ages Four to Six?
Age of Dragons
First Age - Arrival of Paravians
Second Age - Arrival of Fellowship
Third Age - Arrival of Mankind
I thought the time of Dragons (i.e. before the Paravian races emerged) was referred to as an era. To me an era sounds like a far longer period of time (perhaps containing many ages)
My guess is that WOLAS is set at the very end of the Third Age and that there will be some fundamental shift in the makeup of Athera during this series that moves us into the forth age. Further IMENSE speculation suggests to me that the resolution of the Black Rose Prophecy will be a new method of government \co-habitation on Athera and that is the paradigm change between third and forth ages
If you use the Search facility and search for "Age of Dragons" (quotes important) you'll get to the page with this snippet posted by Janny:
"Very little has been revealed about the Age of Dragons (the epoch prior to First Age One, when Paravians arrived as Ath's gift to Athera). "
Reading this and other bits trying to find the answer to this question had lead me to believe that Athera is the only world of the universe to have Dragons and Paravians. If, in the rest of the universe Calum Kincaid's great weapon has destroyed worlds and all of humanity, does that mean that the only humanity extant in the universe is that on Athera and those exiled voluntarily or involuntarily through the Worldsend Gates to the Splinter worlds?
If so, only on Athera do you have dragons, Paravians and humanity with the Compact speaking for the last group. The previous Ages have all been marked by the arrivals of various groups. Given the prologue, its entirely possible the subsequent Ages are marked by the exit/departure of such key groups.
The prologue in Curse starts thus "The Wars of Light and Shadow were fought during the Third Age of Athera, the most trouble and strife-filled era recorded in all history". So I'm not sure we'll get into the Fourth Age in the narrative - although how to get another 450 years of history in the subsequent Arcs will be interesting.
The prologue also talks about trying to determine the truth about Arithon, Lysaer and the Religion of Light. Given Lysaer, the Kralovir and the shadowy cabal from Erdane (amongst others) are aligned with the decimation of the Paravians, Ath's Adepts, Arithon, the clans, the Compact and basically anything that disallows humanity free access to Athera, the resolution of the Lysaer/Arithon conflict has to, in my mind, resolve all of the extraneous issues with Paravians, Drakes, etc.
Maybe the fourth age is the age of the...
Gryphon!!! Trys Crash lands on Athera! and eats the Mistwraith for dinner!
By the way, I've always wondered why Davien carves so many gargoyles (and gryphons too? I can't remember at the moment), but I have never heard of any actually existing. Are these real animals in Athera? or are they just a part of legend?
OH MY!! That would be quite a case of indigestion!! <grin>
Gryphon!!! Trys Crash lands on Athera! and eats the Mistwraith for dinner!
Perhaps Davien's gargoyles are his portraits of Kharadmon and Luhaine? Davien seems to enjoy needling them..
I think the gryphons are a Janny thank you.. to share the cover of a novel with Arithon.. an honour indeed.
I'd assume those kind of statues existed back when the F7 was still mortal and Davien used that for his own purpose.
It is my intent to post status on this volume - when the "countdown" becomes relevant. When I have a finalized contract in hand, and some inkling of a guesstimate for release.
Rest assured, meantime, it IS being worked on. I have spent some of the interrim period, also, rechecking ALL prior volumes to be sure that no bit is left unresolved (beyond what I meant) at the ending of this Arc. It's been awhile since I wrote Fugitive Prince, and as that is the foundational one for this arc, the review had to be a close one.
At this point, I can say, ain't NO Way you'd have the book properly done without the split off from Traitor's Knot. There's an intricacy to the resolution of this phase that needed the extra time and space.
I can say, the latest installments were written to the Soundtrack to "Alexander" and now, the part I am embarking, soundtrack to The Last Samurai....
Any teasers and snippets are going to wait - both for a firm commitment to press, and also, until after people have the chance to see Traitor's Knot, since anything from this volume would spoil the last.
I'll continue waiting "enthusiastically" ... though it may kill!!!
Hmmm ... next story arc!? Does this mean there may be moe happening after this coming volume?
Yes. Stormed Fortress will complete the third arc with two more arcs to go.
I already have customers asking when the next one is due!!!!
I know this question must drive you to DISTRACTION (and I realise that there are many things which are beyond your control in terms of timing with your publishers AFTER you have written the book), but is it possible to give us a "tentative" time for when Stormed Fortress will be published? ie, 1 year? 2 years?
Thanks a bunch,
George - the info I have is not yet firm...and I've learned what happens when "not firm" gets misinterpreted as 'look for it on This date' - I do expect to wake up this topic most thoroughly, soon, so you will not be left in the dark.
Let's get the US edition of TK into reader's hands, yes? (grin)
Then we'll all be starting from the same place, globally.
I have some short stories due out, meantime...and of course, To Ride Hell's Chasm, for those who didn't leap for that one yet.
Thank you Janny,
for keeping us up to date. I am sure this process of securing a contract and printer must be as frustrating for you as it is for us to keep panting for the continuation of this monumental story.
In the meantime since finishing Traitors Knot a long time ago (so it seems) - and sorry to the US readers.
I have been busy chasing up all the books containing all your short stories - the last one was Extreme Flights of Fantasy - and now I have run out and am running on empty - like the rest of your loyal readers. So have you got any more firm details on titles for the books containing your new short stories?
Wolfhunter - Fantastic Companions, edited by Julie Czerneda is out in Canada from Fitzhenry and Whitside, with a US release slated for later this summer.
I was asked on another anthology - and I turned in TWO stories for that one, giving them a selection. One was an Athera story, and the other, a SF/Contemporary. The book's editor opted for the latter, which leaves the Athera one free for something elsewhere. Meantime, I am awaiting "formal word" on the status of this submission - which would let me make it public.
I just finished draft for a near future SF story - which is in final adjustment and polish stage - and should see print pretty quickly. Look for detailed announcements on these two projects in the Short Story topic.
There's another opportunity also flung out there in the ether - and it's a nifty fun idea, with some exceptionally great editors - so that one's pending in the mental story mixer, and something will come of that one.
For anybody worried about Stormed Fortress - that's marching along, too. With the latest short fiction deadline turning in today, it's on the front burner, as of now.
It is not outside possibility there could be another collected volume in the future, as these little guys keep on piling up. Also, I've even teased myself with the thought of centering a few short pieces, and maybe a novella, in Athera, around some significant years, to shed light on the complexity and richness of the backhistory.
Note: when you readers comment, I NOTICE. If you keep being mystified about some point, often I can work it into the current volume, to clarify your confusion. Sometimes, your curiosity lets me play too, and shed light into an area I already know, and you badly want to...it's interactive to a degree. Your feedback is helpful - and sometimes your wishes get answered. When somebody just itched to see what happened to Felirin, and I had to extend the plot of Fugitive Prince due to a split volume the publisher wanted, but I had never intended - they got their wish. I know the yelling to see more of Traithe let him walk into a scene in Traitor's Knot - he'd probably have been there anyhow BUT, I could hear that fan's chortling in the background as he stepped out of the shadows with his raven. When Lynn at MM called and said we "have six blank pages to play with" in the US TK edition - I leaped straight in with that appendix, and the contents of that were a direct answer to many questions chewed over by you on this chat - it's not unlikely more of this sort of thing can happen, but not if I don't get to share in seeing your comments. The EEE-vile Laugh doesn't happen, really, so much as I get insight into what you guys need clarified further. (grin)
Anybody who didn't track down Child of Prophecy that's in Fawcett's Masters of Fantasy anthology - this is a significant "piece" of the story puzzle. It can be left out, but it's richer, more depth, and you will have further insights into the main storyline of TK and also Stormed Fortress's opening. I can hope Reins of Destiny (the other story, just completed) can find a way into your hands, too. It takes place just a little earlier than Child of Prophecy, and covers another aspect of the rising in 5018.
I have a huge crush on the F7, so any added tidbits with them is awesome by me ;)
I know the yelling to see more of Traithe let him walk into a scene in Traitor's Knot - he'd probably have been there anyhow BUT, I could hear that fan's chortling in the background as he stepped out of the shadows with his raven.
Janny, I must plead guilty to this, as I am a card-carrying member of Traithe's Babes.
A novella? I'd be ESTATIC about that.
I would really like to hear more about the paravians. I mean, they're so central to the plot and to Arithon's goals, but so far we've only seen little snippets of them - I loved that centuar in PG.
I would die for a quick snippet of the sunchildren in action (although I suspect Janny's hoarding her cards on that one!)
I would love to see more clarification of the F7 restrictions. Sometimes it seems like they could do more and just don't. Other times I think I can almost see why they don't intervene (like telling Elaira, oh btw, you could do something about that oath), and why don't they send Arithon off to help them except at dire need, or why don't they have more spellbinders to pick up the slack.
I guess I'm confused because they were willing to go against town free will when they tried to crown Arithon, yet after that they retreated and did nothing against the townsmen when I felt maybe they could have done something (before they got too busy) more to help.
Also, I'm curious how far they can teleport if they don't use a focus circle. They did this in the first book to get Lysaer from the balcony where he unleashed the curse on Arithon to the palace, then never really did it again that I recall.
Finally, why is Davien the only one of the Fellowship that seems to have a handle on something Ath's adepts can do (be solid as a ghost type thing)?
STATUS: The contract from HarperCollins UK has come for the next two volumes in the Wars of Light and Shadows series - Stormed Fortress, and also, the opening volume of Arc IV, no title announced yet.
Now - celebrate with me - but - !! - Please do NOT start leaping up and down for knowing a press date NOW. This is not set, and will not be for some time. Until I have the manuscript finished and turned in, anything is a guess. Your book shop or any retailer you ask, or any statement made by them online will not KNOW. Until a book is turned in, edited, approved for production, and finally IN production, the schedule is subject to change.
We are now entering the CONTRACT phase. Wherin I agree to produce the book on a schedule, and the publisher acknowledges its stated intent to produce it on a second schedule - with many interrim steps to be completed before the arrival at production and final release.
Yes, I have been at work on the manuscript. No, it is NOT going to be turned in for awhile yet.
(Can we ask about cover art? :grin: )
And I am glad to see them doing a contract for Stormed Fortress AND Book One of Arc Four. Now there is GREAT news.
Sandtiger ::Popping open some virtual champagne::
Congratulations! And reassuring, with things getting tougher in the publishing world. More books to look forward to!
brilliant news, Janny.Congratulations!
I don't mind not knowing the dates ...content to wait...
But I'd sure to interested to know the title of Arc 4
Sensational.. congrats Janny.
Thanks, all - cover art's included in the contract's language.
Hellcat purss with happiness from the depths of her Library chair.
The only problem I can see with Janny's announcement is whether or not she's going to have enough cheese to go with all the "whine" that is going to start on this board. ;)
Good news, Janny, and thanks!!
Well done Janny
Well done Janny.
It must be reassuring knowing where you are going from here.
Just one question. Why don't you just do the complete print with Harper Collins and distribute worldwide from here. Why do you actually have to go through this whole drama again to print in the US.
Not that I ever get my books from US publishers, as I live in Australia and it seems Harper Collins have been very loyal publishers over the years. It is just a point of interest.
And to Blue, you may be disappointed but nobody is game to whine now! This is only starting to wind up when we start getting page counts, snippets and the like and we all transform into a pack of hungry wolfs.
Wolfhunter - the book publishing game is very country specific. Contracts are for specific countries only - which can be both good and bad. It does allow Janny to publish with Meisha Merlin in the US, Harper Collins for UK/Aust/NZ and others elsewhere.
The contracts cover the UK, Australia and NZ.
HarperCollins US and HarperCollins UK make their publication decisions separately.
That oughta keep you busy... of course since you are part of 'we' that might explain the propensity that canines have for chasing their own tails. <grin>
and we all transform into a pack of hungry wolfs.
Ho ho Trys! Very funny!
This may not be the appropriate topic for this post, but what the hell...
Even though I'm probably the only person on this board not to have read TK yet (well, at the time I was reading Kate Elliot - and those who've read them know how in-depth they are - once I'd finished them I started again on Mistwraith, which I thoroughly enjoyed - kept reading bits, thinking "I must remember that!" So now I'm up to Ships with another 5 delicious books to devour...), I'll still say a resounding CONGRATS to Janny for the new deal, and a HUGE THANKS for sharing your vision with us.
A couple of questions, though, arising from Mistwraith...
1) Why don't we hear more about Verrain? Is his duty at the swamp all-encompassing, so that he's unable to leave it to help the F7 with anything else? And whose apprentice was/is he, since it mentions he's been one for more than 600 years?
2) Why the hell does Asandir put up with Dakar's excesses - is it that there are too few with the ability to become spellbinders? Surely if the Koriani can teach anyone they take in, the F7 can find others as well?
I hope too that we'll be hearing more about Ciladis either in TK or the next volume (and please don't spoil it for me if he IS in TK).
Looking forward to Monday morning on the train, which is the only time I get to read lately...
1. It mentions in the character list at the back of the novels that Verrain was the apprentice of Luhaine.
2. I assume because of Dakar's gift of prophecy.
Thanks. I was beginning to think I'd somehow inadvertantly killed the topic...
Happy 4th of July!
Asandir has had to put up with Dakar's excesses... seems like a lot to put up with for a few bits of prophesy..
I wonder how Verrain handled years of Luhaine's stuffy, boring lectures on magecraft?
I´m happy for you and for myself. It feels much safer to know that at least the next two books will be published (though I fail to see how any publisher could *not* want to publish your work!)
that was a lovely comment about tail chasing and surely got a laugh from everyone.
But then again, fancy that coming from you, is a gryphon not a wolverine type with wings to flutter about and doing airborne tail chases?
At least I admit to being a wolf in the pack and proud of it. If we would not for ever chase our prey, Janny would never finish her books!!
And thanks for the info regarding the publishing business, I thought we were steering toward a global community. Maybe by the time Janny publishes her last book in this mammoth story, it may be published globally by one publisher. Wishfull thinking.
No indeed!! <big_grin> A gryphon has the body of a lion (feline) and the head and talons(front legs) of an eagle... so no canine-tail-chasing. As to chasing, gryphons spend much of their time chasing sheep, unless friendly natives supply fresh mutton. ;)
is a gryphon not a wolverine type with wings
After reading TK, you should understand why Dakar is 'put up with'.
All righty, ye who are champing at the bit!!! - here's a status update.
Since TK came out in the USA, I've been getting a storm of e mails asking about release date for Stormed Fortress....it's unnerving to say the least, since I JUST signed the contracts!
So - let's start at ground zero. The TURN IN DATE for the FINISHED MANUSCRIPT (NOT PUBLICATION!!!!!) is June 2006.
Please do NOT expect a firm publication date in schedule until this book is actually done.
There is a lot of writing to do, yet - when I thought I could "cram" the ending into one last volume, a lot of scenes got skimmed over, if not downright shortchanged, due to space reasons.
You are going to be a LOT happier with the way the action plays out, now, and a lot more satisfied with the depth at which the pitch of the climactic scenes will run.
A lot of the past year was spent catching up on personal stuff, a lot, on having to do behind the scenes work, with great patience, due to production problems with the USA edition of TK....this alone took several months from my schedule.
Repainting the covers for the UK reprints took time out from my schedule...not to mention, some personal time out. I'd been under contract continuously since the EIGHTIES, and there were things at home needed attending. I wanted my gardens filled with flowers, not weeds for one thing, and for one year in ten, I wanted the horse blankets washed in the SPRING, not one day before the chilly night I needed them in the fall!!! (I do have a life not strapped into my desk chair?)
Also the existing draft that I had that was working up to the "ending" needed a lot of reworking indeed!!! To reframe those scenes took time and patience. That bit is at last complete. Yay! I can move ahead.
I can all but hear the howls of frustration - however, as always, I draw my lines. Quality work matters far far more than heat of the moment speed.
Once readers settle into Traitor's Knot, once the mass market UK edition comes out (August), then I will start posting page counts and snippets.
Until then - the scenes I am writing now are being done to the music of Hans Zimmer - specifically the soundtrack to the movie, King Arthur. It's haunting, and utterly gorgeous.
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Janny, weeds are good, just convert to being an Ath's Adept and you won't need to spend time planting flowers ;)
... chomping at the bit... whining... the usual crabby fan stuff goes here... ;)
You mean you have a life???? ::Laugh::
Just kidding of course!
Wonderful news - and movement forward is always great to hear about. (That signed contracts are involved - even better!)
I enjoy reading about the whole process - it's easy to forget all that happens behind the scenes for a book to hit the shelves.
Thanks for sharing!
Didn't I warn you earlier to get a lot of cheese because the whine will start to flow?
Maybe Don can hire a fleet of pirate ships, [the good, fast Jamaica Sloops] fresh from raids in the Caribbean, with their cargo holds jammed with exotic cheeses?
(I do have a life not strapped into my desk chair?)
With us? Good luck!
Err.. isn't a storm of e-mails demanding the release of the next book generally a good thing?
Depends on how demanding they are wanting it. People can get pretty rude and I'm sure don't know the half of what a writer has to do to get a book published. I know I don't but I've the patience hehe.
Blush - I meant 2006, as the turn in date.
There are indeed sections of the property that are like the hostels of Ath's Adepts - but if you want to feed hummingbirds with natural flora, and have the butterflies up close, not just in the meadow - not to mention, the colors for my own satisfaction.
I have a few gardens, and a lot of natural flora, and working on more native planting to bring in the wildlife and let things flourish in natural splendor. Basically, this property was a raped six acres - barren, barren, barren. We had all of eight trees, four of them non native palms, and two of them spindly and dying....part of the reason we chose this place, was the satisfaction of restoring what's right.
Now...we have planted 40 trees, shifted the natural balance back, and working on doing far more of that...it's going to be a garden in more ways than by our hand alone...
On storms of e mails - they aren't bad by any means. But when the information is available in the Forthcoming section of the website, and when they read like:
"I just finished TK, when can I expect Stormed Fortress?"
Yup - I get a LOT of those, just as bare as that...and I answer them, but can't do that in one line....nope....so it eats time, a bit, if there are numbers of them each day. I'm still on dial up. Nice to know the readers are interested...but it slows down the writing time. Internet convenience does make some (probably young and not very thinking it over folks) a tad bit lazy....just ask the author for release dates is too tempting.
Authorial Whine over.... `
Just finished Traitor's Knot...absolutely loved it! It was a quest in itself to get this book to Cleveland Ohio. The sales lady at my local Border's called me and said she had been working for months to get this book to me. I never knew they were that dedicated. I just had one question, and it is probably somewhere else...but how many books are left in this series. Definitly not complaining if it is continued...keep it coming.
If you look at the topic list you will see there are five arcs in this story and we are at the end of number three. How many books isn't known at this point.
Please thank your local lady at Borders, and also, I sure hope other fans at that location know that this book is OUT. This is the largest challenge, ahead...
I am anticipating that Arc IV will be two volumes, and for the love of all that I hold dear, am praying that V can be fit into one cover. If it doesn't, it will make for one NASTY break point.
This is precarious information, as the shifts in this industry change by the moment, and what sort of arrangement will be possible then is NOT YET DETERMINED. My current contract with the UK is for two more books, and it is anticipated that Meisha Merlin will produce the US versions, this time in simultaneous release. But there is not paperwork there, YET, because the schedule can't be projected that far in advance. Too many variables might change it, HOWEVER, the plan is, you readers will not be left unsupported.
Now that the "arc" of Alliance of Light is beginning to draw together (now that TK is starting to wrap and converge plotlines with a vengeance) It Would Be A Dream, if some readers for whom the Light Went On Now posted their reviews with this notation at Amazon?B&N online for Fugitive Prince, Grand Conspiracy, Peril's Gate - those titles took a bashing in ratings BEFORE very many realized that there really WAS a plan...some readers who expected the same story, repeated, or for major plot points to wrap before the FINALE of this series....many bailed off, PERHAPS shortsightedly....
Yes, I am (politely) asking for help from the dedicated - who are all, I might add, doing a fantastic job!
If you've praised the quality of Meisha Merlin's edition, it NEVER hurts to mail them directly, too. They worked very hard, and took the brunt of alot of complaints during the delay, much of which was none of their doing.
You need good reviews for those earlier books? Consider it done
Picture an author doing a happydance - today, FINALLY, I wrap up a particularly tough chapter set...and...the very last scraps of the old material are finally reset into place. YAY!!!
After three days of catching it, with errands, I feel like this little bit is stretching on forever...just a little touch up on the main chapter, the two sub chapters are well settled. Then it's off for a test read check...
And the action begins to REALLY start rolling. I feel a bit giddy with optimism, here? (Like perhaps finished draft by the end of the year? could be, could be...that would make for a comfortable time in rewrites and finishing the artworks.) I have a hard lot of intense notes on the ending sequences, so when I reach a certain point, the whole mass will start pulling toward that arc endpoint.
Off to do that little bit of sentence buffing....
"Then it's off for a test read check... "
... If you require ANY additional test readers feel free to call on my tallents in that regard!!!! :D ;p
Ahh, Janny, good the happy dance thing!
I've just seen the ridiculous launch of the latest HP book on TV, and thought:
What an embarrassment over a book!
(excellent marketing program, though)
Fancy what HP would think about that!
(Hope my niece got a copy, and will lend it to her kind auntie soon...)
What about if that happened for SF?
How would we all feel about all the hoopla?
How would Janny feel about sitting in a chair reading some of the story to us?
(one of these days we should really try to get a reader's convention together, it would be interesting to discuss this live-time, don't you think?)
What would Arithon think about all this, when he's trying to get people to stand on their own 2 feet?
Dakar would undoubtably be going for the adult launch where there would be alcohol and girls...
Yeah, yeah, bit of the ridiculous, but the announcer said something interesting at the end - he said:
It's only about another 700 sleeps until the next HP book comes out!!!
Oh, I thought, I usually don't measure sleeps for something until it is much closer to the day, but as I thought about it, it seems so much closer to think that Janny might have finished the draft in less than 150 sleeps, than another 5 months?
WOW!! Doesn't time fly when you convert it like that?
Grinning at ya
Music on this morning, Mike Oldfield's TR3S LUNAS.
Two banner days behind - I did fifteen pages of a new chapter set, and there are detailed scene notes for the next bits. Flying on a roll feels really good; it's been a bit of a slog, getting the reset on the beginning, and the last chapter set (contents) was a tough divide.
I've spied some preview material....so that's on the back burner for later....stay tuned.
We rented two movies that Really Sucked, and rather than dream them over in my sleep, I lay awake plotting future manuscript. Gads, I wish I could do two books at ONCE....