Synopsis

Janny Wurts Chat Area: Arc 3: Alliance of Light: Stormed Fortress: Synopsis

   By dee on Monday, May 21, 2007 - 08:51 am: Edit Post

Hi Blue - I am catching up - been away - no have not heard "banned from Argo" - would like the words please.


   By Jeffrey L Watson on Tuesday, May 22, 2007 - 05:49 am: Edit Post

Ooops, Blue... too much of the song was posted... this violates copyright laws. Only a short excerpt can be posted. I'm having to delete your post as a result. Sorry.


   By Blue on Tuesday, May 22, 2007 - 06:48 am: Edit Post

Trys - no problems, I didn't realize that was the case.

Is there a way I can contact Dee privately to send the lyrics to her?


   By Trys on Tuesday, May 22, 2007 - 08:58 am: Edit Post

Only via e-mail. :-)


   By Blue on Tuesday, May 22, 2007 - 12:33 pm: Edit Post

Hardy har har, O Gryphon! :-O


   By Andy on Thursday, May 24, 2007 - 09:02 am: Edit Post

Or, you could just post a link to site that has permission to display the copyrighted material.

Banned From Argo


   By dee on Thursday, May 24, 2007 - 10:40 am: Edit Post

Blue and Andy - many thanks for the joint effort - great stuff and worth the wait- will enjoy playing around with the original lyrics.


   By Blue on Friday, May 25, 2007 - 05:36 am: Edit Post

Thank you, Andy, I did not know about that site. I have bookmarked it now.

Dee, you are welcome, I figured you might have better luck with a Banned from Athera than I do, because I have NO gift for verse.

Trys, again, my apologies for violating the copyright issue. I should know better, but sometimes I get ahead of myself. URGH!!


   By Trys on Friday, May 25, 2007 - 05:42 am: Edit Post

Blue,

No problem.

Trys


   By Angus on Monday, May 28, 2007 - 03:06 pm: Edit Post

Going back a bit, I agree with Matthew that a "negative absence", in other words could be construed as a "presence" due to the double negative. Two negatives make a positive. This is what happens when math and logic get applied to language, which can be incredibly illogical.

The quote would then be: "the [presence] of kindled energy that accesses the spectrum of unborn possibility."

What the HELL is that, anyway? Energy accesses unborn possibility (to take out the extra words). Could this not be a definition of Life? All life has energy, but not all energy is life. Can there be access to unborn possibility without life? I suppose that the shadows are energy, a negative energy, which then somehow is a positive because it is a negative absence. If this is in fact positive energy, due to its being a negative absence, hold the possibility of life, due to its ability to access the spectrum of unborn possibility, and, uh... oh.

My brain hurts. I think I just explained the Improbability Drive from Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy.

After the Lysaer/forgiveness topic, I thought a tiptoe through the tulips of metaphysics might be fun, and its's a radical turn away from Dr. Dimento and the whole Banned from Argo thing.


   By Trys on Monday, May 28, 2007 - 05:16 pm: Edit Post


quote:

Energy accesses unborn possibility


Creation?

As to life, what is life? Can there not be life that we would not recognize by the definition that is is generally used (i.e., when I hear anything that discusses the possibility of finding life on the other planets of our solar system I always add the phrase, 'as we know it' for them)? Would an alternative term (and perhaps a better one) in this context be consciousness?

Trys


   By Matthew on Thursday, May 31, 2007 - 06:38 pm: Edit Post

I'll hold up my hands and admit that sometimes there are sentences in the books that i struggle to get my head around :-) the bit i was querying being one of them. I know Ms Wurts has been accused of.. shall we say 'complicated language'?.. but i don't agree with that, i think her grasp of language spot on its just really hard to read and understand another person's thoughts when you have a single, short sentence trying to define it.

Also apologies i haven't posted much but have hte wife at home so very busy :-) will be back soon though when she's on the night shift =/


   By Jo on Monday, July 09, 2007 - 12:56 am: Edit Post

Just a thought could the treachery in the Dukes ranks come from any of those who went over to Lysaer's side in Vastmark? They would know everything about the defences and could also have people on the inside. Any thoughts anyone


   By Matthew on Monday, July 09, 2007 - 07:50 am: Edit Post

who went over to Lysaer's side? i dont have hte book and my memory is really hazy about vastmark.


   By Blue on Monday, July 09, 2007 - 09:53 am: Edit Post

In WoV, Duke Bransian received a notice from Arithon, stating that he held Bransian's younger brothers as hostages to impel him to get his troops out of the fight, since they were doing a pretty good job of cordoning the territory, leaving Arithon and his allies in constant skirmishes.

Bransian stormed into Lysaer's camp, and told Lysaer that he was withdrawing his troops. However, a troop captain who had served with Keldmar, said that he had seen the damage Arithon was capable of inflicting first hand, and they should NOT withdraw, because that would mean that Arithon would be free to wreak havoc where ever if not contained or killed. Bransian snarled that he WAS withdrawing his support, because he did not want his brothers killed, and that he was determined to rescue Keldmar, Parrien and Mearn himself and kill Arithon.

The alliance with Alestron was important for Lysaer not only because of the highly trained and skilled troops, but because Alestron's banner meant that Lord Erlien's forces might hesitate to attack fellow clansmen, or at least men who were feal to a legal clan authority (Bransian). Bransian's troops were escorting the supply trains into Vastmark, and the Shandians either did not raid them, or at least took care not to harm fellow clansmen.

Lysaer accepted the loyalty of this troop captain and the men who had decided to follow him, and Bransian rode off, highly peeved.


   By Matthew on Friday, July 13, 2007 - 01:14 pm: Edit Post

ahh thanks :-) interesting... they'd have the knowledge maybe.. but i doubt theyd be welcomed back with open arms.


   By Jo on Friday, July 13, 2007 - 02:11 pm: Edit Post

Just a thought though they might have had to accept them back as Mearn etc are still supposed to be supporting Lysaer. I hope Havish escapes Lysaer's war but I doubt it.


   By Blue on Friday, July 13, 2007 - 03:11 pm: Edit Post

On the other hand, Jo, even though Alestron was going through with the masquerade of the Alliance, it does not seem likely that Bransian would have welcomed any of them back. The charges he, as their Liege could level against them, could amount to any one or more of the following:

1. Dereliction of duty
2. Desertion
3. Failure to follow direct command of the Liege
4. Oath breaking
5. Treason

Too, in FP, Mearn does not seem overly eager to come into contact with the captain in charge of the group he encounters after warning Arithon of the Koriani plot. Namely because the guy knew him well, and would be able to blow Mearn's cover story about being a Hanshire courier. Mearn did NOT trust this guy. He had no idea if the guy would play along with him, for old time's sake, or turn him in as a spy or traitor against the Alliance.

I also suspect that once Bransian and his brothers returned to Alestron, they would have made changes in their defensive and offensive capabilities, not only to arm themselves against an eventual siege, but also to render any intel these men could have given Lysaer about Alestron's capabilities, strategies and tactics worthless.


   By Hunter on Saturday, July 21, 2007 - 06:21 pm: Edit Post

Another interesting tidbit from the synopsis on the Australian Harper Collins Site.

"... closest to Arithon's heart. The only way he can help them is by using his mage talent to invoke ancient magics, at great risk to himself."

http://www.harpercollins.com.au/global_scripts/product_catalog/book_xml.asp?isbn =0007217803

He's already leveraged Paravian magecraft, has been trained by Davien.. drake magic anyone?


   By Hunter on Wednesday, August 01, 2007 - 07:53 pm: Edit Post

From Harper Collins UK synopsis:
"..Davien the betrayer is unable to intercede to save his colleagues and so will be forced to invoke the dire terms of an ancient and most secretive bargain."

So.. HC UK has Davien invoking ancient and secretive bargains, HC Aust/NZ has Arithon invoking ancient magics.. that's a lot of invoking.

Hmm.. wondering what other texts Arithon stumbled across in Davien's library? Drake language is pictorial if I remember correctly. Would it have been written down?


   By Brian Uri! on Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 02:00 pm: Edit Post

According to this post:
http://www.paravia.com/discus/messages/777/1766.html?1099317512#POST24339

Drakish language had no written form, only pictoral symbols. I interpret that as meaning it would not have been in book form, but I guess we'll see!


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