Janny Wurts Chat Area: Arc 4: Sword of the Canon: Initiate's Trial: Elaira

   By Sandra Jacob on Tuesday, July 27, 2010 - 03:41 pm: Edit Post

Well in the scene in Ships that I'm referring to, Luhaine did it after putting Elaira to sleep, so she doesn't know, and of course the Koriani don't know. Hmmm, I do remember something about her crystal in Stormed Fortress. But did it give Selidie control or did it just give her access? I don't remember the Koriani having control over Elaira at all during SF, and whatever they did have, Arithon laid to rest with Alithiel. Other than the sigil they put on her to impregnate her, that is. I'm currently rereading all but am only up to Ships at this point.

   By Sandra Jacob on Tuesday, July 27, 2010 - 03:49 pm: Edit Post

OK, I just read through the archived posts and see that someone has already commented on this passage so I am reinventing the wheel here. Sorry about that.

I had completely forgotten that piece about her crystal though before rereading it.

   By Trys on Tuesday, July 27, 2010 - 03:58 pm: Edit Post

Sandra Jacob, you are not so much reinventing the wheel as rolling it over here to take a look at it again. No problem with that. :-)

   By Sandra Jacob on Tuesday, July 27, 2010 - 05:50 pm: Edit Post

Thanks, Trys. I was intrigued with the earlier discussion as I had not even paid much attention to the crystals while reading through the first time. I did a blitz read as I couldn't put it down. Now, going back and taking my time, I find so much intriguing detail. I'm now puzzling over what it means that she's tied by the Skyron crystal and if the F7 can intervene in that.

   By Maggie on Wednesday, July 28, 2010 - 10:38 am: Edit Post

In looking through everything, someone asked the difference between necromancy and what Morriel did to Selide. I think that the difference is Selide still exists, where the necromancy takes over totally and irreperably. Selide cannot be irreperably gone, because there was a line by one of the fellowship that said something about "they finally had clear grounds to stop Morriel" when they were in the mountains doing I don't remember what, and then just a short while later, realized they could not stop her after all, because doing so would harm the innocent Selide that she had taken residence with.

   By Trys on Wednesday, July 28, 2010 - 11:54 am: Edit Post

The difference between necromancy and what Morriel did is that in the former the person is possessed by the dead. Morriel implemented a transfer of her living essence into Selidie's body that resulted in possession. Just my take on it.

   By Julie on Thursday, July 29, 2010 - 02:43 pm: Edit Post

Both the necromancers and Morriel use corruptions of the original Sanpashir rituals. Morriel's essence is residing in Seldie but I got the feeling that there is a way to expell her and have Seldie regain "consciousness".

The necromancers on the other hand use magic bound in blood sacrifice and pain. The human essence cannot be salvaged unless the body dies and is cleansed by a sorcerer. In other words Seldie may wake up in her own body again, the souls whose bodies the necromancers inhabit will never.

   By Chana on Thursday, August 05, 2010 - 07:49 am: Edit Post

Do you think Arithon would be able to free Selidie?
Lol, maybe he could 'sing' Morriel out... but that would cause Morriel's spirit to pass on and could go against Arithon's promise not to kill.

Does anyone remember in PG when an adept stopped Elaira from clearing her crystal? I think he told her that if any of the Koriani's crystals were taken into one of Ath's hostels it would revert to how it originally was, before anyone touched it. Did I get that wrong? Because if Elaira is tied by the Skyron crystal, and that crystal were successfully cleared, her oath would be null and void. Also, the Prime's power would be greatly reduced, especially since the Great Waystone is inaccessible. I'm probably way off, but it's still fun to speculate!

   By Clansman on Thursday, August 05, 2010 - 08:30 am: Edit Post

I don't think that Arithon would think of something like that as "killing" Morriel, because Morriel's body has died, and her spirit/soul/presence (if you will) is, against all nature, inhabiting and fully possessing another's body. It would be a restoration of natural order for Morriel to be "sung out" of Selidie.

The man has become quite adept at singing Athera's troubles away ;).

   By Janny Wurts on Thursday, August 05, 2010 - 09:29 am: Edit Post

Hi Chana - welcome here!

   By Kirsten Laurelle Wallace on Monday, August 30, 2010 - 02:31 pm: Edit Post

Sorry, this is kind of going back several postings, but it's been awhile since I've had a chance to get on here and I wanted to comment on the topic of the Koriani.

The more I read these books the more I think about the prologue of CotMW. "Let each who reads determine the good and evil for himself."

I don't think any of Janny's characters can be summed up as either "good" or "evil." Our observations are influenced by our own bias. Which is why someone can like Lysaer while another reader thinks he doesn't deserve redemption. Nothing is cut and dry. I think the Koriani fall into the same category. They have their reasons for their actions. If those reasons are agreed with they can seem righteous. On the other hand it's very easy to label them evil.

For me, these books have always reflected the real world. It's one of the reasons I like the series so much.

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