Archive through December 11, 2008

Janny Wurts Chat Area: Arc 4: Sword of the Canon: Initiate's Trial: Second Sneak Preview: Archive through December 11, 2008
   By Winter on Tuesday, August 19, 2008 - 01:30 pm: Edit Post

I don't think Daliana necessarily has a lot of Clan blood. She's part of an "outbred" line afterall. The original infusion of s'Gannley blood was several generations from Sulfin Evend and he managed to hit the genetic jackpot. Unless I'm remembering wrong, he was an only child (so there would be no sister for the Koriani) and his uncle didn't have any children either. So he would have had to father at least one child (not necessarily in wedlock either) to beget Daliana. The fact she's surrounded by Etarrans suggests that her family branch is based there. Lysaer probably made Etarra his homebase after Avenor was destroyed and Sulfin Evend no doubt stayed with him there for as long as he could. Daliana being Etarran would also jive with the idea of her being like Talith. Makes you wonder if there might be a s'Gannley-s'Ilessid child...

It's going to be interesting to see a whole new cast of supporting players in the next book. Assuming everyone procreated and had fateful descendants we might see scions of Feylind, Fiark, Mearn, Talvish, Jeynsa, Maenol, and King Eldir.

I also wonder if Dakar has achieved that "stability of a diamond" that Davien mentioned. He might not have re-joined Arithon and he wasn't accompanying Asandir in this passage.

   By Kam on Tuesday, August 19, 2008 - 10:31 pm: Edit Post

Living for 500 years is bittersweet indeed.

I'm really interested to see the kind of person Lysaer has become in the intervening period - without Sulfin and presumably far from Arithon...

   By Joelle Ullathorne on Friday, September 05, 2008 - 12:53 pm: Edit Post

Ooh, only just found this little snippet. Thanks for sharing Janny!! I almost didn't read it to keep the suspense but I am also at the point of chewing on my left arm so I though this might help.
Not sure if it did or not.
*Must learn patience*

I think either Talith or Sulfin would be a good reason for Lysaer not looking at Daliana. Can't wait to see. But for me it will always be that first glimpse of Arithon that I long for!

   By Janny Wurts on Monday, October 06, 2008 - 09:51 am: Edit Post

Welcome, Joelle Ullathorne!

   By Dave on Wednesday, October 29, 2008 - 04:16 am: Edit Post

Ref SF

The Bond will be assumed against the Crown of Rathian, which must answer to Followship precepts.

Tell me Janny have we a new High King of Rathian and if so is the trial for the crown jewels???

   By Janny Wurts on Sunday, November 02, 2008 - 10:46 am: Edit Post

Dave - har!! - nice guess, but...

   By Neil on Sunday, November 02, 2008 - 04:20 pm: Edit Post

Above comments: "Sulfin Evend no doubt stayed with him there for as long as he could".

- Hmm, yes before he was named heretic ;-) F7 / others(?) predicted that he could not succeed given divided loyaties...he may have suffered persecution before he died?

Dakar..."might not have re-joined Arithon".

- my feeling is that this is not going to happen. Arithon does not need Dakar's protection now. Dakar seemed to have chosen to align his choices to Fellowship interests (possibly quite rightly?). Arithon and Elaira seem to have conflicting interests / opinions to F7 at the end of SF. An interesting tension?

As an aside, recenty rereading parts of COTM. Sethvir seems to have gone out of his way to "persude" someone to return a crown emerald to him. This did not read like freewill to me...Arithon refers to Sethvir's "pilthering" in SF.

One of my fears is that in the last 200 years, the free wraiths arrived, caused havoc, F7 et al. resolved but the public suffered and later took it out on the clans. This could leave clanblood solely in the priesthood and in the towns.

Janny, I would welcome a might not have re-joined Arithon review snippet from clan point of view to reassure me some are still alive ;-)

   By Janny Wurts on Thursday, November 06, 2008 - 03:13 pm: Edit Post

The honest to gosh problem with pulling excerpts from this volume is the almighty mess of spoilers that would result - and even sections that "look" innocuous are not really so, because they are pulled so disjointedly from the integrity of the Actual material - any fragment unveiled quite naturally tends to evoke a lot of spurious speculation, zinging off on totally crazed tangents. Because the true connections must remain hidden, such glimpses would, in the end, make you quite nuts! If not (erroneously!) leave you feeling stranded, not because you WERE, but because showing the central action would throw the game, and I can't do that... picking innocuous bits makes the rest seem Not There, when it's Very Much There! Too much there to show!

If you are worried that NO clans survive - don't. If you are worried there will be no character you recognize - don't! The series is NOT going to leave you stranded in that way. I wouldn't just "saw off" a whole segment of action or not finish off the tale with respect to central themes - you will know how the threads span volumes, and the characters who are central to the story's presence will stay at center stage.

I am not, but definitely doing the "next generation" Ok?

That does not mean the next arc will be predictable...but I have to be terribly bothersomely selective about what I choose to reveal of its development, or your brains will definitely boil.

   By Kirsten Laurelle Wallace on Thursday, November 06, 2008 - 03:26 pm: Edit Post

I think we all like having our brains boiled...

Thanks for the reasssurance though. I was getting a little stressed about whether Arithon and Lysaer were still going to be the focal point of the series (silly, I know.)

   By starstorm on Thursday, November 06, 2008 - 08:00 pm: Edit Post


That does not mean the next arc will be predictable

Oh, goodness... if anybody who's been reading the series still thinks that they can predict where you're going to take us, Janny, well... I will be polite and say that I highly doubt them :-)

I love it all the more that it isn't predictable!


   By Mark Stephen Kominski on Thursday, November 06, 2008 - 11:06 pm: Edit Post

And besides, whatever would Clanny, Greebo and I argue about if it was predictable? Our Chrons buddy Dekket, too, if he ever chooses to reveal himself here....

   By Janny Wurts on Thursday, November 20, 2008 - 04:06 pm: Edit Post

They likes having their brains quite careful what you ask for....!

   By Mark Stephen Kominski on Friday, November 21, 2008 - 12:13 am: Edit Post

Hmmm, boiled brains....isn't that haggas, or haggis, or something like that? Or maybe that's what they were serving in the 2nd Indian Jones movie, complete with fine monkey's head china?

   By Janny Wurts on Friday, November 21, 2008 - 07:24 pm: Edit Post

Swallows fast - if I take a quick exit to Drive The Bus (euphemism, if you don't know this one, figure it out!) the manuscript will only become - delayed.

   By Mark Stephen Kominski on Saturday, November 22, 2008 - 12:43 pm: Edit Post

*Images of Janny as the school bus driver in The Magic School Bus appear*

Sorry, having children breeds familiarity with such all means, please return to the manuscript! ;-)

*The chanting begins amongst the visitors to, softly at first, but growing, Man-u-Script, Man-U-Script, Man-U-SCRIPT, MAN-U-SCRIPT, MAN-.....*

   By Christopher Beckett on Sunday, November 23, 2008 - 12:42 pm: Edit Post

I am thoroughly teased. The prospect of Sulfin Evend's issue being called to serve the land, and be a Caithdein against Lysaer's wishes is very interesting.

The notion of Evend's end, given his precarious moral position at the end of SF is too interesting.

I think SF was a good ending point for a number of characters, Sidir and Feithan should be left their retirement in Halwythwood, Feylind needs to be mourned, Glendien's daughter needs to grow up and in the meantime, Lysaer has to recover from the reverse and his near-consumption by the Curse at Alestron. What role will Sulfin Even play there? How will the Alliance and the religion of the Light hold up? With Aveor a slagged wasteland, will Lysaer relocate to Etarra?

The thing is, the most pressing issue (it seemd to me) at the end of SF was Elaira's need to discover about her crystal - what will happen there?

Given the sneak spoilers so far released, I have to assume the time frame (by this point of the book) has jumped forward at least 20-30 years, perhaps more. Perhaps things go quiet for a while, after Sulfin Evend's apparent arrainment for heresy? Maybe Elaira is forced back into close Koriani supervised service, while Selidie plots.

Also, I am a little confused by the notion of multiple clan blood lines in Etarra. For all the mixed breeding in the world, surely sensitive clan blood would naturally shun the area as the force lanes there should be left untrammeled by habitation? Or have I mis-interpreted that?

Anyway, my brain is fired up, starting to smoke a little and make a strange whirring noise.

Thank you Janny, I've never enjoyed a series more or been more consistently interested - dare I say it, genuinely CARED in what will happen next.


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   By Mark Stephen Kominski on Monday, November 24, 2008 - 11:48 pm: Edit Post

I think the earlier consensus (see the Archived postings at the top of this thread) was something more like 200 years, Chris, but just speculating....

   By Janny Wurts on Saturday, November 29, 2008 - 01:35 pm: Edit Post

Yipes, I cannot BELIEVE it's been near to five months since I posted the above preview....authorial grumble that time just flies when a book's in progress....maybe dig for an Arithon glimpse. Ah, maybe, there one without spoils? Nah. Weensie spoils? Waffle. Maybe. Not.

Have to thumb down some pages and murfle over it.

   By Brittani on Monday, December 01, 2008 - 08:21 am: Edit Post

Some of us are gonna get ulcers or high blood pressure or something if you keep tempting us like this!

Come on just a little bitty something, even a few words....

   By Janny Wurts on Monday, December 01, 2008 - 10:52 am: Edit Post

Ah, blush - I'm going to do this for a readership of ONE?

grin. Waves to Brittani. Christmas is coming, but, six months is long enough to wait.

Back to thumbing possible pages.

(Perhaps they're just off reading the new mass market release of Stormed Fortress, eh?)

   By Zorana Lewis on Monday, December 01, 2008 - 10:55 am: Edit Post

I'm around, just drowning under the mass of essays and university work being thrown in my general direction. That and trying to pursuade my printer that it doesn't want to print essays in bright, barbie pink.

The printer won.

My essay was handed in, in bright, barbie pink. Ah well. It'll make a change.

   By Clansman on Monday, December 01, 2008 - 11:15 am: Edit Post

ONE, you say? Just because we happen to be lurking instead of filling cyberspace with our speculations (that almost always turn out to be horribly wrong)? Perhaps we just need a little (turkey bones aside) something to chew on? (I wonder how the phrase "chew the fat" arose to mean conversation?).

The last bit was worried on for quite a while.

I wonder where Arithon is now????

Barbie pink essay??? Automatic F(NS) in my book!:-)

   By Zorana Lewis on Monday, December 01, 2008 - 11:19 am: Edit Post

lol. Well my argument will be that I'm feeling feminist as the essay was about women's rights in South Africa during the apartheid. :D

   By Clansman on Monday, December 01, 2008 - 12:15 pm: Edit Post

Isn't pink a female stereotype, and therefore against the grain of feminism? Don't mind me, as I'm a lawyer and we pick apart statements for a living.

Quite an interesting topic, I must say. I don't know much about it, but my impression was that for certain people, namely the majority, there were no rights at all, let alone women's rights. Is this paper focussed on black women's, indian-descent women's, or white women's rights? Or all of them?

Sometimes I actually miss university, as learning new stuff has always interested me. Not the constant lack of money though (I really got sick of pasta).

   By Zorana Lewis on Monday, December 01, 2008 - 12:22 pm: Edit Post

Well I never said I had an intelligent argument to give - I usually study the History of Warfare, but this module is my MOMD so you are asking the wrong person about feminists. :D

The actual title is "Describe and discuss the types of life choices possible for black women in the first half of the twentieth century."

And quite a lot of their lack of choices revolves around their legal status as 'minors' so I went into quite a lot of detail about that, so you could really call it more a paper on the rights of black women than their life choices. Ah well.

And yeah, I love university, apart from the financial side of it.

   By Kirsten Laurelle Wallace on Monday, December 01, 2008 - 02:22 pm: Edit Post

I'm here as well. Just haven't checked my email in nearly a week.

A spoiler sounds awesome... please! :-)

   By Walt on Monday, December 01, 2008 - 02:24 pm: Edit Post

[<---- Wearing a pink oxford shirt with a silver & white snowflake tie]

Well, I'm here Janny! Being on Jury Duty for the Feds is the pits... being on Jury Duty for the Feds two blocks from your office is even worse! Now we're on a three-hour 'break' again... Being so close to the office does have its perks: I can check in on my email and Janny Chats...

So how about a lov-er-ly lil' tidbit to add to our Christmas stockings? :^)

   By Mark Stephen Kominski on Monday, December 01, 2008 - 10:02 pm: Edit Post

Hmm, Jury duty for the the Federal City, perhaps?

And certainly not just one, oh mighty Talespinner. We are loyal Paravians, and we are L-E-G-I-O-N...... ;-)

   By Diann Coonfield on Tuesday, December 02, 2008 - 01:12 am: Edit Post

While browsing Sunday I found has a listing for Curse of the Mistwraith in Apr 09. A spoiler while waiting sounds good.

   By Janny Wurts on Tuesday, December 02, 2008 - 10:24 am: Edit Post

(peers about for legion)....of SIX???

Welcome Here Diana Coonfield. Well, looks like things are moving - although, actually, going by the last correspondence I had (which may not be final), May may be more likely.

The good news is, it's Happening, and thank you so very much for taking the moment to post the heads up here.

(Back to the page-thumbing murfle, there will be something appropriate...if I could only find which bit....and how to saw off what would really blow the top off what ought to surprise).

   By Kirsten Laurelle Wallace on Tuesday, December 02, 2008 - 02:20 pm: Edit Post

Everytime I get on here and read your postings I can feel my brain starting to boil. The suspense is just too much...

   By Clansman on Tuesday, December 02, 2008 - 02:58 pm: Edit Post

Yeah, Janny's kind of mean that way. She likes it.

(echoes of maniacal, cackling laughter bounce through cyberspace)

   By Kirsten Laurelle Wallace on Tuesday, December 02, 2008 - 05:57 pm: Edit Post

That was funny. I know this is off topic, but Clansman, where are you from? I know you're a lawyer but where at? Sorry if this is too personal of a question. I'm just curious. Feel free not to answer.

   By Brittani on Tuesday, December 02, 2008 - 06:37 pm: Edit Post

Hey come on Janny, a legion of six is impressive enough. We have one up on the Furious 5.

*note to self: stop watching so many cartoons with the nieces...*(thats from Kung-Fu Panda for those who don't watch cartoons)

And besides I just wanted a little tidbit, surely we can come to some peaceful agreement over just a little tidbit right....right....

(maniacal laughter still echoing)

ahh well- I'll just settle for boiling my brains with Kirsten.

   By Wayne on Tuesday, December 02, 2008 - 10:59 pm: Edit Post

Looks like Amazon has a listing so far for the First three books as well at To Ride Hell's Chasm

Curse of the Mistwraith.... May 1 '09
Ships of Merior............June 1 '09
Warhost of Vastmark........July 1 '09

To Ride Hell's Chasm........Aug 1 '09

Of course we all know how things may change and how accurate Amazon is on their dates(being sarcastic here ;) )

Personally,I will wait until I hear it from Janny herself

   By Julie on Tuesday, December 02, 2008 - 11:28 pm: Edit Post

OK Janny - I add my voice to the six above but, I will plead for more than a tidbit. I work in healthcare and the past few weeks have been brutal. My escape is fantasy and you are one of the best I have come across in a long time.- so how about offering an exhausted nurse some respite?

   By Carole on Wednesday, December 03, 2008 - 08:32 am: Edit Post

Oooo i definately add my voice to those above, a tidbit to ward off the panic of christmas shopping would be lovely :-)

   By Clansman on Wednesday, December 03, 2008 - 09:35 am: Edit Post

Quote: "We have one up on the Furious 5.

*note to self: stop watching so many cartoons with the nieces...*(thats from Kung-Fu Panda for those who don't watch cartoons)"

Another quote: "I'm not a big fat panda. I'm the Big Fat Panda!"

Kung Fu Panda is currently my son's favourite movie, which he has watched approximately 20 times in the last month.

And, to answer your question in a general way, Kirsten, I am from the Great White North (i.e. Canada, though it is not white yet this year. Big difference from last December, when we were hip-deep in snow at this time). In particular, the eastern part of the Province of Ontario.

   By Kirsten Laurelle Wallace on Wednesday, December 03, 2008 - 04:41 pm: Edit Post

Janny, I think you should take pity on Julie. Sounds like she could use a tidbit (wink wink...)

Clansman, where I live we already have snow. I had to actually shovel my driveway today. Absolutely terrifying.

   By Janny Wurts on Wednesday, December 03, 2008 - 07:06 pm: Edit Post

Hi Julie, Hi Carol - nice to see you chime in!

I promise, I'll post a preview shortly. We are off for the weekend, and it's just too much to do before we bail out a'piratin' - its a reenactment festival, complete with all the trimmings, pistols and cannon, and best of all, we get to sail on the Wolf again.

Wayne's notice was accurate, so far as I know, regarding the US release dates, that's the latest I have. To start in May with Mistwraith, and finish with the other titles in the fall - the August date for Hell's Chasm is the last I've been given that's nailed down.

   By Mark Stephen Kominski on Wednesday, December 03, 2008 - 11:26 pm: Edit Post

All right, so Legion = 8. Still, post a preview and our numbers are sure to grow, me hearty!

*Recognizes that he's started the pirate speak all over again....sounds of loud forehead smacking ensue....*

Erm, the boat's not the S.S. Minnow, is it? ;-)

   By Gary on Thursday, December 04, 2008 - 12:31 am: Edit Post

If adding my name to the list of legions (up to 9 now, if everyone's counting is on...),
count me in!

Something with Arithon would be cool, but if anything interesting is happening with either Traithe or (someone's bound to come down hard on me for not remembering the name...) the other Sorceror bound in sleep by the Paravians, I'd love to get a peak into that!

(I get too much spam and can't get the word Cialis out of my head!!)

   By Neil on Thursday, December 04, 2008 - 09:35 am: Edit Post

Count me in : that makes 10

   By BillBob on Thursday, December 04, 2008 - 10:12 am: Edit Post

Pops up from lurking again. That makes 11.

   By Laneth Sffarlenn on Thursday, December 04, 2008 - 02:31 pm: Edit Post

This boy from oz makes a square dozen :-)

   By Konran on Thursday, December 04, 2008 - 06:02 pm: Edit Post

Lucky thirteen

   By Blackrock on Thursday, December 04, 2008 - 09:52 pm: Edit Post


Would love to hear more of Arithon, Davien (and the dragon) and of course Elaria's confrontation with Seldie!

   By Brittani on Thursday, December 04, 2008 - 10:08 pm: Edit Post

HA!! We Rock!

The Furious 5 have nothing on us!

Who wants to play the big fat panda. I got dibs on the old turtle! (I know Clanny understands me. Anybody else have kids?)

I am voting for somthing with Dakar...

   By Jeff on Thursday, December 04, 2008 - 10:39 pm: Edit Post

Here's 15.

I don't say much, but I read messages when I see them in my email.

I suppose those who post messages are just the tip of the iceberg; lurkers below the surface.

   By Dave on Thursday, December 04, 2008 - 10:57 pm: Edit Post

Yo count me in at 16

Starts Chant "Janny we want another snipit please" "Janny we want another snipit please" "Janny we want another snipit please" "Janny we want another snipit please" "Janny we want another snipit please" "Janny we want another snipit please"

getting sore throats janny please hurry....

   By Sarah on Thursday, December 04, 2008 - 10:58 pm: Edit Post


here's to the lurkers. And here's to those at the tip of the iceburg who provide us with some excellent reading.

   By Kirsten Laurelle Wallace on Thursday, December 04, 2008 - 11:50 pm: Edit Post

My bestfriend, who isn't on here and isn't lurking, also would like to be counted among the legion.

   By Mark Stephen Kominski on Friday, December 05, 2008 - 12:25 am: Edit Post

Need I say more?

*Moves a few here, asks others to stand together over there, retrieves baton and steps to the podium*

Ah 1, 2, 3, 4...

*in perfect SATB*

"Can....... anybodyeeeEEE, find MEE-eee-eee-eee, a SNIPPET too-ooh, LUVVVVV"

   By Sundancer on Friday, December 05, 2008 - 08:39 am: Edit Post

me too - coming out of the lurking to say my brains are boiling and we wanna see Arithon again (or Dakar), add me to the legion... what a Christmas present...

   By seljo on Friday, December 05, 2008 - 02:48 pm: Edit Post

18 (if my count is right)

Lurk daily; still haven't grabbed copy of Stormed Fortress -- so not much to say these days.

   By John Parsons on Saturday, December 06, 2008 - 05:20 pm: Edit Post

19 (or 20 if we count Kirsten's bestfriend) now!
Let's hope Janny isn't waiting for someone to shout
Darts anyone??

   By Izzy on Sunday, December 07, 2008 - 05:23 pm: Edit Post




   By Angora on Sunday, December 07, 2008 - 08:41 pm: Edit Post

Here's another long-time lurker crossing her fingers for a snipit. 21!

   By Hellcat on Monday, December 08, 2008 - 10:30 am: Edit Post

Un Lurks


Pretty please with Cliladis on top!


   By Mark Stephen Kominski on Monday, December 08, 2008 - 10:12 pm: Edit Post

*Grins evily in the Talespinner's direction*

And there's more where they came from.....

   By Walt on Tuesday, December 09, 2008 - 09:59 am: Edit Post

Har har har! She be gettin' back from 'er piratin' weekend and discover dat 'er forum be shanghied and won' be gibbin back untill we get a wee bit o' a snippit!

Ye argh!

[evil cackling ensues]

   By Janny Wurts on Wednesday, December 10, 2008 - 10:54 am: Edit Post

Holy Smokes! All those lurkers, delurking! What a homecoming from a great weekend away...!

Thanks for all the good cheer.

A sneak preview will be coming....maybe two, but the other will be hidden. :-)

   By Janny Wurts on Wednesday, December 10, 2008 - 07:27 pm: Edit Post

One of the requests - granted: the hidden snippet is posted...

   By Laneth Sffarlenn on Wednesday, December 10, 2008 - 07:29 pm: Edit Post


I don't have time to search...

Hopefully my Aussie Ally Mark is watching and will let me know soon :-)

BTW Janny - thanks :-) How's things with ye as ye descend into the darker months of your year?

   By Sarah on Wednesday, December 10, 2008 - 11:21 pm: Edit Post

I think I've seen a snippet... would it be round about page 56 sentence 5?

   By Laneth Sffarlenn on Wednesday, December 10, 2008 - 11:26 pm: Edit Post

Page 56? Where's page 56? What page? On here or in a book?


   By Sarah on Wednesday, December 10, 2008 - 11:32 pm: Edit Post

NO No sorry. page 56 in Initiate's Trial. I don't know if its the one but there's a smallish sentence snippet posted on in the green dragon

sorry, don't cry :-)

   By Mark Stephen Kominski on Thursday, December 11, 2008 - 12:15 am: Edit Post

*Hands the Choir Conductor baton to Sarah*

That was quite a find! The only thing that puzzles me is that our friendly Talespinner posted it before Thanksgiving (11/21, I think). Maybe I shouldn't assume that she only JUST posted it?

Alas, as it's only 2 sentences, I'm afraid the tears are welling; 'tis not even enough for a self-respecting paragraph, let alone a TRUE SNIPPET!!!

   By Brittani on Thursday, December 11, 2008 - 09:49 am: Edit Post

I am with Mark, I don't know if that really counts as a true snippet. I mean she did post it almost three weeks ago and it is very very tiny.

I think we might need to organize our legion. How many people do we have now. 22 or 23

I agree with Sarah though, if this is all you can give us without spoilers, makes me bounce up and down with anticipation.

   By Janny Wurts on Thursday, December 11, 2008 - 10:58 am: Edit Post

The little snip on LT is not the hidden treasure...keep seeking!

Clue: think back. I've done this one before.

   By Kirsten Laurelle Wallace on Thursday, December 11, 2008 - 11:16 am: Edit Post

Wow. I'd have to say that this is almost cruel. I wasn't serious about my brain boiling before, but now it is.

I'm with Brittani on organizing the legion. How do we want to split up the search?

   By Mark Stephen Kominski on Thursday, December 11, 2008 - 08:50 pm: Edit Post

Hmmm, there's, then the rest of the web....

*is daunted; must need beer!*

As a relative newcomer, (less than a year), will have to ponder about what the Talespinner has done before....