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Janny Wurts Chat Area: Arc 4: Sword of the Canon: Initiate's Trial: What is Lysaer upto: Archive through March 02, 2010
   By DarthJazy on Thursday, February 11, 2010 - 11:37 pm: Edit Post

I just got to start a thread and see what people think Lysaer is doing these last 2 centuries.

I envision that once his right hand passes on he would resort to old habits and continue to hunt the clansmen and consilidate his power accross the alliance territories.

   By plutoplex on Tuesday, February 16, 2010 - 08:46 pm: Edit Post

I disagree. I think that Suflin Evand (combined with Alithiel's power in Stormed Fortress) was enough of a wake-up call that Lysaer would honor his friend's memory by toning down the call to arms. He's more aware of - and thus able to fight - the Mistwraith's influence now. At Alestron, he realized that he had gone overboard. Unless the Mistwraith's hold on him tightens once more, I don't see him relapsing.

However, he already let the djinni out of the bottle, and would not be able to step down from his leadership role in the towns (not that I think he'd want to - quite the opposite). The title he has in one of the snippets was "Lord Lysaer" - Lord Mayor of Etarra, I'm guessing. I think he'd be doing peacetime governing (trade relations, infrastructure).

He might pick a fight with the Koriani in the interim - I could certainly see Sulfin Evand rechanneling Lysaer in that direction. Plus, if Lysaer ever found out about Elaira's relationship with Arithon, the Koriathain would be obvious targets.

   By DarthJazy on Wednesday, February 17, 2010 - 10:35 am: Edit Post

Perhaps he concentrates on being allowed back in the compact if that is even possible. Does anyone know if it would be possible for him to redeem himself?

   By Ruth on Tuesday, February 23, 2010 - 08:25 pm: Edit Post

...There is the issue of what happens once Sulfin Evend dies of old age, if nothing else. Who's going to be around to remind Lysaer not to go off on a wild curse-ridden chase? Who's going to be around to help him that he'd trust, that is.

   By Laneth Sffarlenn on Tuesday, February 23, 2010 - 08:29 pm: Edit Post

What about the thought that, once Sulfin dies, Lysaer will be plunged into "darkness" in that he has no one so close to him and no one that understands him so fully - he'll be completely lost and alone without guidance or sympathy.

I like to dream sometimes that he and Arithon will covertly start working together towards a common goal, liaising with each other in secret meeting places and conducting business as the years roll on...

   By Ruth on Tuesday, February 23, 2010 - 09:42 pm: Edit Post

..It's a nice dream, I'm sure. Though isn't Lysaer still tied in knots because of the curse? Arithon isn't, and even before he got cleared of it he found a way to break the influence, but I'm not so sure that would work for Lysaer... Oh wait. He could work with Alithiel to prevent the curse gripping Lysaer at such times?

Though, in the event of Sulfin's death, Lysaer's rather without support, as you said, and in that loneliness becomes somewhat more sympathetic.

   By Mark Stephen Kominski on Wednesday, February 24, 2010 - 12:28 pm: Edit Post


Minor point about working with Alithiel to dampen curse's effect; Arithon was basically useless for all other purposes while this was happening in Stormed Fortress....

   By DarthJazy on Wednesday, February 24, 2010 - 03:45 pm: Edit Post


Could Kelvin help out his father in this respect with his new powers from ath's adept?

   By Ruth on Wednesday, February 24, 2010 - 08:58 pm: Edit Post


Could he? When curse gripped, Lysaer seems to be unable to accept such help. Such as when the adepts at the hostel near Merior tried, and later, when he chased after Ellaine and met Kevor in Kevor's new role as Ath's adept, and Ellaine taking sanctuary there. I seem to remember him refusing.... *cannot check whether this was in TK or SF at the moment, is in university library and my copies are at home*

   By Dorothy on Friday, February 26, 2010 - 07:01 pm: Edit Post


I was wondering if Sulfin Evend's life span has been extended via the intervention of the fellowship(as Elaira's was) when he accepted caithdein status, as basically he requested that role in order to protect Lysaer. It follows that in order to carry out his responsibilities he would have to live as long as Lysaer to do this.
Would anyone else be able to take Sulfin Evend's place?
It's a while since I have read this part of the series so I may well be way off course!
And it would give him lots of time to ensure his bloodline survived ;). Which leads to another tangent-what if the Koriani got hold of one of his offspring? Tho I can't see him letting that happen given his hatred of them.

   By DarthJazy on Saturday, February 27, 2010 - 12:39 pm: Edit Post


Now there is an interesting thought. I am not sure if his life span was extended. It does seem like something the F7 would do though. This would be a great idea to get Lysaer the protection he needs not only from the curse but from Necromancy.

Another thought I had is could Lysaer use the fact that he is still needed to finally defeat the mistwraith to get himself back into the compact?

   By Ruth on Sunday, February 28, 2010 - 01:12 am: Edit Post

....and to do that, wouldn't he need to get the Paravians to agree to let him back in? At least that was the impression I got in FP.. the F7 could, with cause, toss him out, but all that meant is that he had to go deal with the Paravians sans intermediaries...which is in itself very 'interesting'

   By Julie on Tuesday, March 02, 2010 - 04:09 pm: Edit Post

Whether Sulfin Evend dies or goes onto apprentice with the Fellowship (my wish), according to the sneak preview he clearly has fathered children. Remember a female descendant has been asked by the Fellowship to take the caithdien's oath.

   By Laneth Sffarlenn on Tuesday, March 02, 2010 - 08:55 pm: Edit Post

Can a Caithdein resign or step down from office? I cannot remember, but it seems the Caithdeinen who've been succeeded in the course of the story's history have all been replaced upon their deaths?

If Sulfin Evend was granted extended life to protect his leige, for which he took A Caithdein's Oath to further serve the land and people, then he clearly would have either died or resigned by the time of the story if his descendent is now Caithdein.

(Since Sulfin is not "The" Ceithdein of Tysan, but did indeed take a Caithdein's Oath, does that mean his fealty is sworn to Land and not King? Therefore, his descendent wouldn't necessarily be sworn to King either, but to uphold the Major Balance and Compact?)

Could very well be that I've just had way too much on my mind and have forgotten the nuances that lead up to this discussion.

Also - Should we be discussing Lysaer or Sulfin? *grin*

   By Julie on Tuesday, March 02, 2010 - 09:25 pm: Edit Post

Well, when we left off they were very much entwined. I felt the growth and development of their characters (i.e. personal insight) was much more than Arithon and Jeiret. So.. at this stage can't really discuss Lysaer's whereabouts without talking about S.E., We also know from the snippet that Sulfin Evend pulled off a strategic feat that ensured a peaceful Lysaer for some unspecified but presumed good chunk of time.