First chapter speculation. SPOILERS!!!

Janny Wurts Chat Area: Arc 4: Sword of the Canon: Initiate's Trial: First chapter speculation. SPOILERS!!!

   By Annette on Tuesday, October 11, 2011 - 07:12 pm: Edit Post

Could be, although the Valet's description was a bit more vague, and no fangs were mentioned.

Although I always took notice of the fangs when the wraiths were described, I never thought of them as vampires but I suppose the image fits them just as well as it does the necromancers. No doubt we will all think the worst of Morriel if she changed her image from a spider to a vampire, be interesting to see what mischief she has been up to as Selidie. Has she been sucking the life essence out of anyone or not. There was no mention of Lirenda in the first chapter, you would think if she was the initiate attending Selidie/Morriel Janny would have mentioned her by name.

   By Janny Wurts on Tuesday, October 11, 2011 - 07:33 pm: Edit Post

Trys - You Asked, too; :-) I think the above note addresses your question, too - at least as far as I'm willing to go at this stage of the story.

More may be said, perhaps, after Initiate's Trial's denouements, as I don't want to shade the experience, ahead of time, one way or the other.

   By Mike A on Thursday, October 13, 2011 - 04:11 pm: Edit Post

As a long time lurker who just completed his re-read, I can't resist chiming in.

Arithon's explanation to Sulfin Evend quoted above by Annette suggests that necromancy was practiced within the Koriathain order before the cults were formed. Also, the following line of that explanation explains why the Koriathain binding oath exists:


As I understand, the breach happened before today's stringent oath, which shackles each sister to unswerving loyalty. (Stormed Fortress, p37)

As I read this, it implies that oath came into being to prevent further leaks, and speculatively to prevent further practice of those rites.

   By Annette on Friday, October 14, 2011 - 10:48 am: Edit Post

Could be, but even with the current oath, dangerious things have been known to be "leaked" to unsuspecting victims. The change in the oath and the leak might equally not be related. Such a binding oath would not have been possible before they started experimenting. Power instead of prevention could have been the motive for changing the oath.

   By Sleo on Monday, October 17, 2011 - 10:36 am: Edit Post

I just noticed the fact that Koriani are now practicing at the 2nd age Paravian ruins? Am I just forgetful or is that something not done by them earlier? I thought they avoided Paravians like the plague.

   By Annette on Monday, October 17, 2011 - 11:32 am: Edit Post

You are forgetful, Athir and Mainmere have been 2nd age ruins for ages! :-) The twisted sisters tend to flock were the flux is closest to the surface. So any where where Paravians used to be. It is the light blind fanatics and townsfolk in general who avoid such places.

   By Sleo on Monday, October 17, 2011 - 11:36 am: Edit Post

Oh well. My forgetful mind doth betray me often. I had totally forgotten, for instance, the fact that Davien's separation from the Fellowship was an accident!

   By Annette on Monday, October 17, 2011 - 12:08 pm: Edit Post

I would say his separation from his body after the rebellion was an accident, but he seemed determined to be separated from the other 6 sorcerers. His current predicament is due to his bargain with a certain dragon, so no accident.

   By Sleo on Monday, October 17, 2011 - 12:18 pm: Edit Post

No no, I'm talking about how he slammed out of Athain tower and ran into the centaur's ward. I think the consequence of that was his banning. I'll have to reread it, but later. Right now am getting dressed to run errands - grr - and then to IT.

   By Annette on Monday, October 17, 2011 - 12:29 pm: Edit Post

That was the accidental bit I think, that was not what anyone had planned. I think it was Davien's choice to withdraw, but could be wrong.

Spoilers, spoilers, spoilers, spoilers.....

We find out what went through Northgate.

   By Sleo on Monday, October 17, 2011 - 12:57 pm: Edit Post

I thought Davien was just having a temper tantrum and went off. I got the impression it wasn't intended to be permanent. And his bargain with the dragon was to help him to be able to create things still, even though discorporate.

   By Sleo on Monday, October 17, 2011 - 12:59 pm: Edit Post

MODERATOR - could you start a new thread for Chapter two please?

   By Annette on Monday, October 17, 2011 - 01:14 pm: Edit Post

Davien was having a temper tantrum and he accidentally ran into his doom, they made him discorporate to save him.

   By Trys on Monday, October 17, 2011 - 02:46 pm: Edit Post

Annette already created one in the Initiate's Trial spoiler topic.

   By Annette on Monday, October 17, 2011 - 03:03 pm: Edit Post

I will go back and actually say something about chapter 2 later, but I am already almost up to chapter 9. Must say it is nice to actually get a good laugh out of the series again, some very entertaining moments. :-)

   By Sleo on Tuesday, October 18, 2011 - 12:47 pm: Edit Post

Oh, duh. I'm not getting my email notifications from here.

   By Danielle on Thursday, November 03, 2011 - 09:09 pm: Edit Post

Hello (again)... it's been a few years since I posted on here (so long that I don't remember my last username or even the email address I used at the time).

As a lead-in to the new book (and as I always do whenever there's a new release from Janny) I'm currently rereading the entire series again; about a third of the way into Grand Conspiracy, but (in answer to the posts above) from memory Davien's separation of body and spirit was "punishment" for his incitement of the rebellion that threw down the High Kings - and his exile self-imposed.

I missed the sneak previews (and certainly haven't seen any sign of them in the threads here), but having read the blurb for Initiate's Trial I kind of feel like I've missed something? I have only read Stormed Fortress once (when it was released) and so I don't remember the entire plot - however I do recall in Alestron Arithon & Elaira finally got together (YAY!) and Elaira fell pregnant, though she was spirited away by the Biedar and (I think) didn't even know about the impending heir. I also remember Arithon confronting Sulfin Evend. But...
"Half-brothers Arithon and Lysaer were laid under a curse of lifelong enmity when they defeated the Mistwraith and freed the world of Athera. Now Arithon has been magically imprisoned and his memories have been removed. Meanwhile his daughter is being raised and trained by his enemy, the Koriani enchantress, but when she eventually learns of her father's existence, she chooses her own destruction to secure his freedom. Still ruled by the Mistwraith's curse, Lysaer will stop at nothing to find and destroy the newly freed Arithon."

Imprisoned? Daughter raised by his enemy?? Destruction???
So... the new book takes place 200 years after Stormed Fortress, and the events described in the blurb will be fully explained?
Sorry if this seems a silly question; I feel as though someone's thrown me in the deep end :/

   By Annette on Thursday, November 03, 2011 - 11:27 pm: Edit Post

Spoilers, spoilers, spoilers, spoilers,

Intitiate's trial takes place 250 years after Stormed Forrtess and it was Glendien that got pregnant at Athir, not Elaira. But you will be looking for that now when you re-read Stormed Fortress. The incident explaining why Davien ended up discorporate is also in Stormed Fortress.

And like any plot point Janny hatches, it takes a while for us to see the full picture, some things will be explained in Initiate's Trial, some things are hinted at but will not be fully unveiled till the next book. If you cannot wait for your book to arrive, the daughter and her destruction are to be found in the first chapter that Janny has up on the Paravia site. Probably re-reading Stormed Fortress first would be better before reading it though. Being the start of a new ark, you could always just start reading the new book, and pick it up as you read. Janny put a fair bit of time into setting up all the changes and new characters.

   By Danielle on Thursday, November 03, 2011 - 11:49 pm: Edit Post

Lol, it seems my memory IS failing me then...
Thanks for the clarification; I didn't even remember Glendien. I'm going to continue onward with Grand Conspiracy, and take your advice not to read the first chapter until I've finished Stormed Fortress. :-)

   By Hunter on Friday, November 04, 2011 - 12:13 am: Edit Post

"a new ark"?? No boats in this book.. :-)

   By Hunter on Friday, November 04, 2011 - 12:17 am: Edit Post

I think expecting any plot device in this series to be "fully explained" is a tall order! I generally feel like a seventh age sage when reading this series !

   By Annette on Friday, November 04, 2011 - 12:33 am: Edit Post

Sorry about the typo, the barbarians were hammering on the door demanding my attention and I was not thinking. Intitiate's Trial is the start of a new arc.

We will certainly feel like seventh age sages by the time Janny gets around to revealing what Ath is. She is presumably going to have to explain it eventually, probably on the last page of the last book.

And there were several boats in Initiate's Trial, but none were there to save Arithon.

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