New Spoiler thread for Initiate's Trial

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   By Annette on Tuesday, November 01, 2011 - 11:56 pm: Edit Post

Spoiler, spoiler, spoiler, spoiler, spoiler.

I doubt the Koriathain have much to fear from Daliana, she has no initiate training, probably has even less knowledge of the mage craft than Sulfen Evend. Now if Lysaer had to put up with Daliana and Elaira he would be in trouble, he would probably end up begging the Paravians to come and take him. Just Daliana and Dakar are trouble enough, I got a chuckle out of Lysaer's comment when Dakar attempted to reason with him.

"My trials won’t stand your mage-sighted conscience stumbling about underfoot."

Dakar is braver, smarter, a bit more in control, but not brave enough to face Arithon's reaction when he remembers what happened, rather he would face being fried by Lysaer. If Dakar manages to avoid being fried, or Lysaer finding a less fatal way to be rid of him, maybe Dakar will finally gain a bit if finesse, some of Lysaer's flair might rub of on him.

   By Julie on Friday, November 04, 2011 - 01:48 pm: Edit Post


Daliana has the S'Gannley gift in full measure. She will learn to use her talent in time. So while the Koriani may not have to worry about comming up against any arcane prowess, they can be checked through her tenacity and loyalty to Lysaer. Remmeber at the end of Traitor's Knot Selidie wants Sulfen Evend dead because of his passionate protection of Lysaer's free will which thwarted her plans.

Also the F7 seem to be much more hands on with her as opposed to what we've seen with other cathdeins.
Arithon will ultimately forgive Dakar- its in his nature. Dakar's fear may be more about revisiting his own guilt and self loathing despite how far he has matured.

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   By Elspeth Parris on Friday, November 04, 2011 - 04:01 pm: Edit Post

Just finished IT. I hoped that in the course of it I'd come to understand the big gap from Stormed Fortress. Maybe there would be flashbacks to explain e.g. why Lysaer abandoned the religion based on his power of light, how Arithon and indeed Talia came to be in Koriathain hands etc. But no, got to the end and the events of the gap have been mentioned bittily but nothing to clarify. it leaves me feeling that i've missed a book but I went and checked and SF really was the previous book. So what's going on?

   By Trys on Friday, November 04, 2011 - 04:24 pm: Edit Post


You just read the first half of the fourth arc. There's a second half that Janny is currently writing.

As to why Lysaer abandoned the religion. I would conjecture that events at Alestron where Arithon's use of Alithiel shook Lysaer a bit loose from the Curse and that is likely the significant event that resulted in his walking away from the religion.

As to Teylia joining the sisterhood:


(Selidie speaking) ‘We demanded custody of the child to vouchsafe your Fellowship’s intent,’ she accosted the Sorcerer. ‘What did you plant by your endless deceit but a serpent into our midst?’

Asandir sighed. ‘Your accusation carries no substance. Or did you brush off Sethvir’s statement when you struck your vile contract and demanded a hostage of us, back at Althain Tower? Our Fellowship has never endorsed, or permitted, the parting of child and mother! Teylia chose to dedicate to your order. She declared her destiny with her first words, long before that unkind fate was asked of her.’

   By Jeffrey L Watson on Friday, November 04, 2011 - 04:35 pm: Edit Post

FYI, I had inadvertently made this topic a public topic which exposes it to 'bot posting. I've changed it to private posting which just requires creating a user account.

   By Dorothy on Friday, November 04, 2011 - 06:22 pm: Edit Post




I know this posting is a bit trite but given Seshkrozchiel's attitude to humans I can't help thinking about Luhaine as her teddy bear. Poor thing!
I loved the book. Lots to think about. For me,the best part is the reappearance of Jieret, one of my favourite characters. I wept when he died and I wept again when he linked with Tarens.

   By J Tal on Saturday, November 05, 2011 - 08:09 am: Edit Post


I'm still reading it however my thought is that Arithon has been held captive for what was it 250 years the other arcs were over 100 years I think that doesn't give Arithon and Elaira that much time together if they do finally get together.

I am preferring Lysaer in this book so far I have disliked him since the beginning of COTM.

I do want to say though and no disrespect because I am loving the books but give the guy a break (Arithon) will there be a time when he is not getting a kick in being chased across country people dying for him. Still can't see he will ever be King. Not sure whether to ignore the prologue at the start or COTM or not. HMMM

Interesting as to why Lysaer has let the clans of Raithain to live after all the blood letting that has gone on. Think Sulfin might have a lot to do with it.

Sorry if I've spelt anything incorrectly. Will go and enjoy the rest of the book.

   By Julie on Saturday, November 05, 2011 - 02:19 pm: Edit Post

Arithon and Elaira could have close to 200 years together from this point in the story. THeir connection is so deep that although physically separated (prior to this time period)they were intimately aware and in touch with each other.

There is a lot of untold history throughout this book. I would guess that with Arithon imprisoned in such strong wards, Lysaer had the clearest thought processes since the failed crowning at Ettara.Sulfen Evend probably had a lot to do with the Clan truce which would have put him and Laysaer at direct odds with the Light's policy of eradicating talent.
We got a glimpse of Lysaer's guilt and self loathing in the scene with Daliana. I imagine he also regrets his policy towards the clans.
Someone else brought up Lysaer being more in control at Alestron when Arithon's music through Alithiel dampened some of curse's influence. He loses it most when shadow is used.Since Arithon is clear of the curse, in a safe place his music may be the instrument (no pun intended) to Lysaer's self redemption.

   By Sleo on Saturday, November 05, 2011 - 03:11 pm: Edit Post

Very true, Julie. I agree. His music and, of course, Alithiel.

   By Clifford Ward on Saturday, July 14, 2012 - 12:25 am: Edit Post

Like the rest, I would love to see Arithon get his due over the Prime, maybe even have left himself a hidden control in the great waystone (now that the sprite is gone). This is really a good tale.

   By Annette on Saturday, July 14, 2012 - 07:58 pm: Edit Post

Arithon has never had much trouble communicating with mineral entities, and lost spirits seem to be a growing speciality of his. Morriel thought Arithon an abomination because he was a male trained to power, she ended up the abomination, so it will be interesting to see who eventually ends up with Prime power. And if Arithon can somehow find a way to give it away.

   By Julie on Sunday, July 15, 2012 - 10:55 am: Edit Post

Selidie spent the lives of Koriani to delete some of the imprints in the Waystone. Arithon would probably free them as he did the wraiths.I think he would be more interested in restoring the Waystone to its original nature before millenia of Koriani domination. He is not interested in power, nor would he hand anything to anyone.He gives others keys, its up to them to open the locks.

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