Archive through February 03, 2015

Janny Wurts Chat Area: Arc 4: Sword of the Canon: Destiny's Conflict: Status Updates: Archive through February 03, 2015
   By Neil on Thursday, November 20, 2014 - 08:43 am: Edit Post

Here is the best I can do in 20 mins (in my lunchtime) :-)

There once was a prince from Rathain
Who upset a Prime Koriathain
On sea or on shore
Couldn't run any more
Does a masterbard flee from refrain?

   By Julie on Thursday, November 20, 2014 - 07:29 pm: Edit Post

To the tune of Popular from Wicked:

Light and Shadow,
We've read about light and Shadow.
What we really crave
Is a glimpse of the brave
Characters we all know
give us, give us, give us
Light and Shadow

   By Judy on Thursday, November 20, 2014 - 08:56 pm: Edit Post

Neil gets my thumbs up so far

   By Neil on Friday, November 21, 2014 - 04:59 am: Edit Post

I have given up second guessing future plotlines I suppose ;-) Or have I...?

Who can fathom the depths of a Fellowship Sorceror. They will outlive the 2 princes I suppose. Hopefully the Prime and necromancy won't :-)

Davien felt that respect for the free wilds must be learnt...I wonder how? Will the gifted priesthood end up replacing non-gifted town majors as a guiding force for the towns? With necromancy gone there will be less paranoia? They will at least be able to withstand paravian presence?

Anyway to keep on topic in this thread (at the moment)

A cursed Prince not born in Tysan
Future townborn think a just one
shooting arrows with light, he
had no respect for Ath's mighty
This flawed outcast s'Llessid son

   By Kate on Friday, November 21, 2014 - 03:20 pm: Edit Post

Long time lurker here, coming out of the kitchen with pots and pans to beg for a snippet. It's too early for me to sing.

Please, please, please, Janny, may we have a snippet?

   By DarthJazy on Wednesday, November 26, 2014 - 02:51 pm: Edit Post

I'll chime in my random please and how long does the post fixing take?

   By Janny Wurts on Wednesday, November 26, 2014 - 03:40 pm: Edit Post

I have just finished out a major sequence in the manuscript.

Finding a suitable bit of NON SPOILING preview does, in fact, take a lot of time.

The writing has to come first; and the (sigh) ongoing need to keep up the publicity schtick, until such time as that momentum 'runs itself.' (a blissful thought, and a constant hope).

When the books are not mentioned at random /encountered in discussions, then one must resort to guest blogs, feeding the facebook machine, social media participation....become a must for an author to maintain any presence at all.

Totally AWESOME to have you folks here in a dedicated discussion - away from here, during gaps between books/while intense care is required to make a book right, and LIFE goes on through aging parents, cost of living increases - unless there is a wailing horde of active readership, a particular author and a series can become very forgettable. There is so much signal to noise on the internet; and with a book/lots of backlist (the picture as it is NOW) not being supported ACTIVELY in paperback, the only way to get new readers is to generate visibility somehow. Once the visibility is there, ongoing, I won't have to make time out for that. Happy day....more time to write without interruption.

I am bearing in mind all the cleverness and fun in bugging for another preview. Do I do that, or compose the two guest posts on some active blogs where I've had invites? Or ... day as usual, work on the draft to get it that much nearer to final.

STATUS UPDATE I am at: 747 pages, with a very very hard bit just finished out. In no way can you see ANY of it without killing surprises....and the earlier phases of the book, at this stage (ending sequence) are so far back, I'd have to literally spend a lot of time looking BACK into earlier chapters to see exactly what could be sliced out.

Lotta review....

At some point when I'm paused, I will do this.

   By Dina on Thursday, November 27, 2014 - 11:14 am: Edit Post

Congrats on finishing a major piece of the manuscript, Janny. i love that intense feeling of totally immersing myself in the story and the process of getting it out of my head and onto the page. that feeling of accomplishment feels all the better when paired with the encouragement of my friends. Keep it up, and I look forward to reading when it's published.


   By Gary Coady on Friday, November 28, 2014 - 06:44 am: Edit Post

Mini-delurk: Janny, whatever keeps you happy writing these awesome books seems good to me! All my friends know what my favourite series is, I think I have to make more friends ;)

   By Annette on Saturday, November 29, 2014 - 03:27 am: Edit Post

We can wait Janny, when you get up to the polishing phase maybe a suitable snippet will turn up.

   By Mark Stephen Kominski on Sunday, November 30, 2014 - 02:41 am: Edit Post

At the risk of irreparable damage to my image as a major snippet monger-er (can't believe that's a word!), even I would rather have you do what you want, Madam Tale-spinner. Lobbying for snippets is too much fun to stop, but we'll gladly (without expectation!) take them when offered, go into snippet-coma for a week or two, then start the entire process over as long as there's a book on the horizon. Write on!

   By Auna on Sunday, November 30, 2014 - 04:29 pm: Edit Post

Singing for snippets was the best idea ever and is a great way to pass the time as we glare at the seemingly endless chasm that stands before us and a finished book.

Anything that delays that book gets my evil hairy eyeball stare of doom. What's that? I dunno, but it sounded bad.

   By Mark Stephen Kominski on Saturday, December 06, 2014 - 03:04 pm: Edit Post

Without intending to draw the dreadful (fatal?) attention of the evil hairy eyeball, ever think about drawing Sethvir with a Santa Suit, Janny? Just for fun? Then again, while I've not memorized your gallery (shame on me!), I'm struggling to recall a picture of Sethvir at all...(could just be brain death, too...)

   By Annette on Saturday, December 06, 2014 - 07:09 pm: Edit Post

Sethvir - Santa slimmed down with no food for most of the year, and working too hard.

Nice picture of him in the card set.

   By Mark Stephen Kominski on Sunday, December 07, 2014 - 03:56 pm: Edit Post

Hmmm, my association was by disposition, not physical similarity, but yes, Sethvir wouldn't exactly fill out the suit, would he?

Which card set are you referring to, Annette? I either missed it or overlooked it...

   By Mark Stephen Kominski on Sunday, December 07, 2014 - 04:08 pm: Edit Post

Did a search, and vaguely remember this reference now, but still not sure where to find the trading card set. Would have edited the previous, but just missed the 5 minute mark (Trys is nothing if not punctual! ;-) )

   By Annette on Sunday, December 07, 2014 - 06:36 pm: Edit Post

The 1996 FPG card set, shows a lot of Janny's early fantasy and sci-fi art as well as the better known ones, there are 60 cards in the set. Sethvir appeared on the back of card 19, so only a tiny glimpse of how Janny pictured him.

You can still buy mint sets online, I got mine from ebay a few years ago. If you search online one of the trading card databases has the set scanned so you can see a preview of each card, see what they look like.

   By Annette on Sunday, December 07, 2014 - 06:54 pm: Edit Post

I checked, the one I brought mine from still has them for sale on eBay $8.95us the set not including postage.

   By DarthJazy on Thursday, December 11, 2014 - 11:37 am: Edit Post

Thank you Janny for all your hard laboring. Now that I am a Librarian I am trying to get them to order every single one of your books and ebooks.

   By Janny Wurts on Thursday, December 11, 2014 - 11:42 am: Edit Post

Yup, that was one EARLY painting of Sethvir. Done in watercolor and ink, during the time I was in 'planning stage' for the series, and long before I took the artwork 'seriously.' There was a sequence of all 7 Sorcerers, also Morriel, and a few oddities. A few of them are in the trading card collection, found on the back sides.

DarthJazy - that is lovely to hear! Don't forget the audio books, if your library does overdrive, etc...Master of Whitestorm, Sorcerer's Legacy, and all of the Cycle of Fire trilogy have lovely productions by Audible.

I am cramming writing in between getting boxes out for holidays. Every year, an enormous 'to do' list!

   By DarthJazy on Thursday, December 11, 2014 - 11:42 am: Edit Post

haha according to amazon I can buy the ebook of destinys conflict. Sorry that was funny had to share

   By Mark Stephen Kominski on Sunday, December 14, 2014 - 07:58 am: Edit Post

Thank you Annette.

   By Mark Stephen Kominski on Saturday, December 27, 2014 - 11:00 am: Edit Post

Thanks to a rather DELIBERATE hint, the card set "magically" appeared in my Christmas Stocking. That's Sethvir? I always pictured him with a longer beard. Wishing the card set was a little larger, indeed! With pardon requested for being oblivious (cuz I've looked thru them now several times!), who were the others on the back sides?

   By Melanie Trumbull on Saturday, December 27, 2014 - 11:08 am: Edit Post

No disrespect or disdain intended, but:
maybe the card art discussion belongs on a different thread ??

   By Mark Stephen Kominski on Sunday, December 28, 2014 - 03:13 pm: Edit Post

In my partial defense, I DID look thru the topics before continuing on that topic here (am guessing I missed a more appropriate place?). Hijacking not intentional, though, and I promise to wander back "on point". ;-)

   By Melanie Trumbull on Tuesday, December 30, 2014 - 12:00 pm: Edit Post

Mark Stephen Kominski and Annette, re artwork:

"Author's Corner" / Author's Topics" has a quantity of threads where artwork by the author comes up in the discussions. I spotted one thread where the poster inquired, are there images of anyone besides Arithon and Lysaer, how about Elaira?

might that be a good fit? Again, NO disparagement intended.

   By Julie on Monday, February 02, 2015 - 12:24 pm: Edit Post

Amazingly quiet here! Janny- any updates?

   By Janny Wurts on Monday, February 02, 2015 - 12:34 pm: Edit Post

Amazingly not quiet, here - do you hear the keyboard tapping?

Back with update shortly/setting finish on an amazing scene. Literally and absolutely.

   By Janny Wurts on Monday, February 02, 2015 - 07:14 pm: Edit Post

Still at the desk - but for a short break to feed the animals. At the finishing scene on this chapter - closing on the last lines to tie it up before I call it quits for the day, but it will certainly require touch up tomorrow (overnight, as the last bits fall in place).

   By Auna on Monday, February 02, 2015 - 09:29 pm: Edit Post

All your scenes are amazing ;)

About how far into the book are you?

   By Janny Wurts on Tuesday, February 03, 2015 - 02:50 pm: Edit Post

I am facing the exact point in the page count where I am looking at the last chapter sets/pitching to close the story in as tight a page count as I can. It's the race to finish point/all the climactic connections are converged for the final actions.

And damn, and damn: the bit that I have to 'touch up' is gonna be BRILLIANT but - it will extend the last scene of this segment a tad. Why creativity can't be predicted: ideas are not linear. It is what sparks the surprise, and generates the wonder that HAS TO BE THERE for this bit to have the impact that it must (after so much buildup) - it's just exactly LIKE - before this you were pitched so many expectations regarding Davien ....but how would it have felt if the point arrived, and he DID go live on page, when the story stepped him forward into a fully active role - what if he'd fallen 'short' of what you hoped for?

It's not just the risk bringing something fully unveiled fully and the impact (god forbid) might fall short - not just that - this series has to go the one step further and AMAZE you/surprise you/wow you because this is the PENULTIMATE BOOK.

Full creative engagement requires (even after all this strategic planning and knowing where the series is going) that SOMETHING must arise and flesh out that Amazes/surprises and Wows ME. Or it won't make the grade.

At this stage of the series, when the reader knows as much they know in depth - they can't (nor can I, ever!) know entirely EVERYTHING as the built up scene finally coalesces onto the page.

It's the major reason why powerful characters/long works fail: the less you know, the more easy it is to draw in the mystery - when the mystery is HAPPENING - the only way to make it incredible is to stretch the envelope further. The platform has to launch you into the stratosphere.

People wonder why it takes such care to ring in the wrap up. ;)

   By Julie on Tuesday, February 03, 2015 - 05:46 pm: Edit Post

I can hear the keyboard, sipping of the tea, combing the fingers through the hair etc...

As usual, cannot wait (although obviously have to) until you are finished.

   By Janny Wurts on Tuesday, February 03, 2015 - 07:20 pm: Edit Post

No tea, (spills kill keyboards, and cats on the desk - you get the picture) no hair combing smoking, perhaps, from the intensity of the brain burn.

Last scene on this chapter created such a smoke I let it run, do I cut the chapter ahead of it, do I put it into the next sequence as an opener, if I do that, WHAT viewpoint has to come next, and does it work as opener; if not, do I overweight this section, or sandwich it into the next chapter - to decide that, requires timeline work to see what has to occur in what strict order (the books never backtrack over the timeline). Just this sort of decision may force the ordering of the next fifty pages.

Doing a page of one liners even can take DAYS of focus to know where all the pieces are/place which order they have to fall even though the action can be miles apart.

Lord, when this series is over, give me a string of standalones! that encompass short periods of time and a relatively tight cast of on a BOAT where they don't separate....

   By Annette on Tuesday, February 03, 2015 - 07:27 pm: Edit Post

Thanks for the update Janny. Do you know yet how many chapters Destiny's Conflict will have?

   By Janny Wurts on Tuesday, February 03, 2015 - 07:41 pm: Edit Post

You will know when I know.

I hate trying to estimate endings. They can end quicker and neater than you think, and they can also take what you confidently project as two chapter sets to finish, and discover the material requires four.