I don't know, maybe the thread title could be a better choice of words,
but now that the book is in the hands of a select few amongst us,
I thought there could be a thread
for the REST of us who are trying to get copies.
My pre-order has a January 2018 delivery date now.
I just tried something different.
My pre-order is from Amazon USA since that's my location.
Here's what I did:
I went to the website for HarperCollins UK, not HarperCollins USA.
I searched for, and found,
the HarperCollins pagemarker for Destiny's Conflict.
Then I used the link built in to this UK page
which took me to Amazon dot co dot UK,
and placed an order THERE
for one hardcover copy of Destiny's Conflict.
I went for broke and ordered the fastest delivery,
thus in my final order submission,
I am paying more money for the shipping
than I am for the book itself.
So I will use this thread to report the progress of this latest order.
I'm not holding my breath on my old USA pre-order.
Well the Book Depository (UK) has the hardback available, free delivery worldwide. The UK somehow seems to have vanished the trade paperback edition, it has not been sighted in a bookstore far as I know. People are out hunting for where the trade paperback has hidden itself.
The USA orders are on hold till Jan 2018, because they alsways seem to leave Janny's new masterpiece to unload after Christmas, not appreciating her hard work and how Christmas might do wonders for her book sales in the USA and Canada. Being an import they want to sell the books they print themselves more it seems.
Australia printed up their own trade paperback edition, we have plenty of them, no sign of a hardback locally, although Booktopia seem to have it. Booktopia will probably imported theirs from the UK.
Someone certainly muddled up the release, and there seems to have been no advertising the book at all from the publisher or bookstores. But at least if the UK sells lots of hardcover editions, we have a good chance of getting a hardcover Song of the Mysteries. Australians are not the biggest of book readers, I do not know how they work out the figures for printing a trade paperback, depend on the Aussie sales we might never see a trade paperback version of Song of the Mysteries.
The Amazon UK hardcover order might be delivered to me in time for the weekend.
This is cool. I get to track the shipment online.
The book weighs 9/10ths of a kilogram. (I'm clueless.)
Within the UK, the shipper handed the shipment to the carrier,
who carried the book
from Tamworth to Castle Donnington.
Last night / before dawn this morning,
the shipment went on a freight flight across the ocean.
As we speak, the shipment is clearing the "import scan" in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.
Then UPS is to ship the book to me in Massachusetts.
from AmazonUK, my Destiny's Conflict copy.
So now I have something to read while
waiting for orders placed in the USA to be filled.
Book Depository does not send tracking data, but my hardback turned up yesterday.
For those wanting the trade paperback I did ask area 52 if they would send the book overseas and they said yes, it will just cost extra for the postage.
It is strange Australia has several big online bookstores, yet they only deliver within Australia, or Australia and New Zealand. USA fans, might try an online bookstore in Canada, might be cheaper postage. Also the Canadians seem to like Janny's books, they will be releasing the book Nov 21st. Remains to be seen, but from what Janny said they will likely have the trade paperback as well. The bookstore below is expecting to have both trade paperback and hardcover.
And for those wanting the hardcover earlier than their region of the world is getting it there is always Amazon.co.uk or the Book Depository.
In my case, it is now one out of three.
These were my three orders:
Amazon UK (linked through HarperCollins UK), one hardcover copy
Amazon USA, one hardcover copy
Barnes and Noble (USA), one PREPAID order for a hardcover copy
The UK order has already been paid for, delivered, and is getting re-read bit by bit;
that lovely clothbound binding is taking a beating already, who knows how long the spine will hold up, the way I am flattening out the pages!
The order from Amazon USA has resulted in an update message by e-mail, telling me my copy will be delivered to me late this month or early next, well before the holidays.
That leaves Barnes and Noble.
I need to give a little consideration
to how I might most efficiently nag at them over there.
It just arrived!
Had to order from the UK and pay to have it shipped to the US, but it's so worth it.
Now just need to go get a nice bottle of wine (or two), clean off a comfortable chair, grab a lap cat and I am set for the weekend.
o frabjous day, calloo, callay, for you.
That makes two of us who had shipments
from UK to US.
My book arrived yesterday! US purchased, Amazon Prime delivered.
Glad to see USA readers getting their books - it feels like release day in slow motion!
Received my hard copy yesterday. I was a bit disappointed with volume 10 as it only has 453 new text pages and it has been 6 years since volume 9 was published. I was expecting at least 600 pages, more like 700 or 800 pages. Janny, you are my favorite fantasy writer. I truly enjoy the very long fantasy novels, one of the primary reasons I enjoy Fantasy.
Hopefully, you will start volume 11 soon so we can have it within 3 years which appears to be typical.
Volume 11 is already underway.
If I tried to do a 600 or 700 page book the publisher would probably balk. (remember the SIX POINT TYPE in the mass market paperback of Initiate's Trial??? What a disaster! I got SLAMMED by reviewers for an 'unreadable book' that was none of my making, but said everything about the decisions made internally - never want to see THAT disaster again) It takes extreme readership to support that, today; and even if it did not, you will see: the book was precisely as long as it was intended to be.
I will get the last book's draft done as quickly as I can - a lot depends if I can work on it full time, or not; cost of living vs income/aged mother/just a few factors that COULD slow things down.
The success of this book - if it can generate any buzz/people talking about it - my fingers are very crossed that this book can take the series up a notch. It's not featured in book shops, though; so random browsers will NOT SEE IT or know the series exists. Outreach is limited to online presence, for new readers, and even, for older readers who may be out of touch.
I can tell you that when there is readership talking about this book, somewhere, or online in a discussion - I SEE the stats move. And I see them go flat when presence slacks off. Not having that book on the shelf, every day, in front of new readers' eyes - reduces the visible profile by a lot.
Hitting the Amazon algorithm could do so very much to put the book past new eyes, all automatically. Just takes numbers and buzz/the series has plenty of substance.
Done my job; it is up to the readership, now. Longer fantasy novels are not so easy to come by as they were (publishers are much more likely to split stuff into shorter volumes, and tie them together) - and I've always had to battle the cost of production vs Profit and Loss, in the publisher's internal system. When they look at P&Ls, which are here to stay in the big corporate climate - a longer book's ratio is a huge detriment with a smaller press run. Gads, I hate beating this drum, over and over and over.
IT HAS BEEN A FIGHT to keep this series going through all the personnel changes. I can do everything ELSE but push this series, get it reviewed, get review blogs talking - I cannot DO that as the author.
The victory with Destiny's Conflict is that I got ALL of what needed to be in there to finish out the arc, exactly as intended. And the book got to press; had a contract for it. That is the miracle.
Right now, we are in RELEASE MONTH. This is a critical stage, and it will determine the course of the series for the next and last book. The publisher has already said: they HAVE NO PLANS to push to get new readers, and won't, until the last book's release....so if the equation of inertia is to be shifted, NOW is the moment to do that.
I am encouraged that the USA books got shipped much, much earlier than anticipated; this maybe likely happened because readers were raising cane/ordering from overseas, and somebody noticed and said, "Hey!" our branch is losing customers...so if that sea change can happen, so can the next.
I've gotten a lot of complaint that no books were shelved AT ALL at Waterstones in the UK. That is priceless visibility lost - so if you are in a Waterstones or a B&N or any shop - asking if they plan to stock the title draws notice to it.
I cannot post about my own work in public forums - it's not just in poor taste, but the climate from so many self published authors doing it to the detriment of active discussion - said forums do not treat posting authors kindly (yes, I can post about others' works, just not mine.)
I can't rate and review - that is not just in poor taste, it totally gets noticed and turns readers off (rightfully, too).
I can't start discussion threads for my own work, anywhere, either.
I can and will write a damned good story. Fitting it into a format the publisher will print - can do that too! Making sure all the threads reach finale, and none left dangling - yup, can make that happen with all the care that it takes.
I cannot move my numbers up EXCEPT by producing excellence; I can't MAKE the publisher put more backing behind this series.
So seeing a post like this breaks my heart more than you will EVER know. I so MUCH want to change how these books are received.
All of you people here are MY HEROES because without you, without your enthusiasm, I'd not be here with a book with 453 new text pages (and you could, if you haven't, read the other two short stories that directly bear on Wars of Light and Shadows, done last year).
I thank you all for the clamor that very likely put the books into your hands in the US so quickly after I had received the disheartening news it was scheduled, here, for January.
The goal posts can be moved again, in our favor; I have always believed that/worked to that end.
It irked me to see so many reviews of Initiate's Trial trash the font size -- just like the reviewers that rate a great product poorly because the seller delivered it slowly or the DVD is lacking localized Portuguese subtitles.
I have also seen a pretty big uptick in users getting to the Paravia Wiki by searching for "Arithon" or "Destiny's Conflict" this month. I do what I can for outreach as organically as I can without sounding like a paid shill.
One technical thing that might help outreach is to make paravia.com more mobile-friendly. Over half of web traffic is on a mobile device nowadays, and the site (while chock full of great detail) is not easy to navigate on a phone. Even in the absence of a total overhaul, there may be a few tricks to augmenting the existing site to be more mobile-friendly. I'd be glad to provide some recommendations here, although I definitely don't mean to step on Trys' hard-working toes!
Oh, Brian, that is great news - site uptick is a very good indicator of fresh interest. I am encouraged to hear that!
Trys has retired from working with the website; it's a huge tribute to him that he did such a beautiful job all these years - without him, my online presence would have been, frankly, zilch. A lot of credit to this series success goes to him.
So let's have a round of applause for a dedicated job well done.
Moving forward: yes, there is a redesign in the works that starts with getting this site more mobile friendly. The rest of the site will be overhauled too - there's a longtime friend and wonderful person who loves the work doing it - if there has been ANY hold up, blame me: I was simply too overwhelmed and fiercely focused on getting this book done to divide my attention.
So stay tuned, there will be a pretty dramatic face lift!
Great news on the facelift. This forum, while functional and appreciated, is ancient in look. I ran a Facebook ad and while the majority still used browsers,the handhelds were a significant chunk and probably only going to grow over time.
I just wanted to say I GOT MY HARDBACK TOO! Wee! It's sitting right next to my self-published proof copy of my very first book. I keep preening about both! That's how much I love having your hard back. I love the maps - so nice to have large maps to look at.
And no, I'm not one of those self-pubs who self-promotes on random forums. There are valid places for that, thankfully, since we are also the publisher in charge of promoting our book. Fun but it has a strong learning curve.
There are only six US Amazon reviews for Destiny's Conflict - so people - start leaving those reviews for Janny! (Yes, I'm one of them.)
There are seven UK Amazon reviews. So woot!
However... Janny... You hiding something from us?
UK Amazon categories:
in Kindle Store > Books > Science Fiction & Fantasy > Fantasy > TV, Movie, Game Adaptations
in Books > Fiction > Fantasy > TV, Movie, Game Adaptations
in Kindle Store > Books > Science Fiction & Fantasy > Fantasy > Epic
TV, Movie, Game Adaptations! I'm down!!
Hi Auna, thanks!!
Not hiding a thing (that I know of) I had nothing whatsoever to do with the 'tagging.' Looks to me, given the editors DID NOT READ THE BOOK, and have not kept up with the series - they (or somebody) just slapped every single 'tag' that they could that even remotely applied to fantasy to this title...which has NADA to do with game adaptations, TV or movies....go figure. It sends a terribly confused message to potential new readers - which your reviews will help rectify, so I am grateful for that!
I contacted barnes and noble and asked this question, lets see if I get a response...............
I am a huge fan of Janny wurts. I prefer to buy books in store. She has recently published Destiny's conflict. According to B&N it will be released in Jan. Amazon has it listed for the end of Oct. So my question is why B&N is so far behind Amazon??? Also I wonder if B&N could move up stocking the book NOW so that I could buy it. In Palm Desert, ca here. I REALLY want this book!!!!!!!!
An update on the three orders I have placed for hardcover copies
of Destiny's Conflict.
Months ago, I placed a pre-order with Amazon dot com in the USA, here.
Their estimates fluctuated, as reported by many members of this forum;
at one point, Amazon USA dot com thought it would be January 23, 2018, by the time shipments and deliveries could be confirmed.
While that was going on,
Amazon in the United Kingdom got THEIR hardcovers and started taking orders;
I placed one myself,
and that order was the first one filled,
earlier in October.
That's two orders so far.
The Amazon dot com USA order?
After the UK started shipping their orders out,
the USA Amazon site changed its pre-order notices,
Amazon dot com (US) would get those pre-orders shipped
beginning at the end of October and into the first days of November.
I'm following the tracking for my USA Amazon order.
The hardcover book has now shipped.
The origin, which is Amazon Fulfillment US,
has an address in Carteret New Jersey;
my shipment has now left New Jersey and is headed north, to Massachusetts where I live.
The delivery is supposed to happen tomorrow, Saturday 28 October.
Whenever my USA copy gets here,
I will match it up with the UK copy already delivered,
and, as Janny has noted elsewhere,
it will be telling to see
how the ISBN numbers differ ... or do not differ.
That leaves order number 3.
This is a pre-paid pre-order with Barnes and Noble.
I made a point of doing this pre-paid pre-order in person, at the Barnes and Noble brick-and-mortar branch convenient to where I live.
Handed over the cash, in full, and have since kept
the pre-order printout and the cash receipt.
That pre-order status at Barnes and Noble has not changed;
the estimated date for Destiny's Conflict from Barnes and Noble
remains 23 January, 2018. For the hardcover.
(Barnes and Noble already has the e-book version
of Destiny's Conflict, available now.)
The ISBN number on the pre-ordered hardcover Destiny's Conflict
from Barnes and Noble
differs from the ISBN number
on hardcover copies of the same title, same author,
same publisher et al.,
available for order at Amazon, both US and UK.
To be continued ...
Okay, this made me go check my hard cover copy that I got earlier this week from my Amazon USA pre-order. Sure enough, it is the UK ISBN. The jacket cover is in British Pounds... Wouldn't be my first Janny book shipped from over the pond!
That being said, nothing in my Amazon shipping intimated that my copy was coming from England. Very, very interesting and another example of how the world is just getting smaller by the day.
In the end, it doesn't matter where it came from for me... just that I actually have the physical paper and ink copy in my grubby little hands to grace my bedside shelf!
This was the response I recieved from B&N.
Thank you for writing to us.
Upon checking our records, we found out that the item "Destiny's Conflict: Book Two of Sword of the Canon (The Wars of Light and Shadow, Book 10)" is currently in pre-ordered status and will this book will be released on 01/23/2018. Please be advised that it's the author/publisher decision when they will supply this item to us which Barnes & Noble has no control. Items offered for sale on the Barnes & Noble.com Site contain descriptions that are provided directly by the publisher, manufacturer, developer or distributor of such item. Barnes & Noble does not represent or warrant that the descriptions of such items are accurate or complete.
We suggest that you kindly contact the publisher or the author of this book for more information.
We apologize for the inconvenience this matter had caused. Take care and have a great day!
I suppose, then, that Amazon got their own stock from overseas.
The stock for the USA is likely going to be the same book - it is all printed in the UK, to my knowledge, and all of the stock gets across the ocean on container ships - for all of the series, whereupon HarperCollins 360 in NYC puts it into the distribution system.
That office in NYC told me the 'on sale' date for USA was Jan 5, 2018, but it looks like that's been shoved back for whatever reason.
I will make a polite inquiry when I see the staff in Mid November - we are taking a trip to NYC after Philcon.
Amazon dot com in the U S of A, was good as their (updated) word, when notice was sent to me by e-mail
that my hardcover copy of Destiny's Conflict would be delivered to me before the end of October 2017.
I have the very shipment right in front of me.
The ISBN number in the USA Amazon shipment/order
is identical to
the ISBN number in the UK Amazon shipment/order,
and both hardcover copies
explicitly display United Kingdom retail prices
and United Kingdom publication information.
Janny Wurts, a United States author whose e-books are readily available in the United States,
relies on the United Kingdom for hardcover product,
as do the United States vendors for this hardcover title.
For me, personally, this is now two orders filled out of three.
It may literally be months
before my pre-paid pre-order with Barnes and Noble
is filled and shipped.
HarperCollins Voyager USA and HarperCollins Voyager UK are TWO SEPARATE ENTITIES.
My contract for the series (current) is with HarperCollins Voyager UK.
USA branch ditched the series after the corporate merger when HC USA bought Avon, etc, and then put Avon's staff in charge of BOTH lines. This occurred in midstream - Grand Conspiracy and Peril's Gate were released on 'autopilot/no support' after that merger, whereupon my contract in the USA was not renewed (the whole line down-sized dramatically - from 24 A list SF and Fantasy titles from the original HarperCollins line, and 18 A List, from Avon; the line shrank, by word from on high - to 12 A list titles from BOTH lines. So a lot of authors were cut loose.
HarperCollins in London kept publishing my titles; they produced To Ride Hell's Chasm/Traitor's Knot, then expanded the contract to include Stormed Fortress, Initiate's Trial, Destiny's Conflict, and Song of the Mysteries to finish out the series. They further 'took over' distribution to the USA and signed in e rights and audio rights - this was the 'trade off' I made in rights to get the series into the USA again, and to see it finished out.
All the eggs in one basket, in hopes that continuous support AND continuous in print status would put the series back on the map.
The personnel in charge when that extended contract was signed are no longer in Voyager's office.
I've been 'reassigned' through several editors, since.
When the series was reissued in 2009, it was distributed via IPG (Independent Publishing Group) who carried stuff from the London office like cookbooks, etc....so they did the best job they could, but they did not cover all outlets in the USA. Some was better than nothing.
When Initiate's Trial released, IPG was discontinued, and the 'new' distribution office for 'worldwide' HarperCollins titles was opened in NYC. This is HarperCollins 360, who are responsible for ALL HarperCollins titles produced elsewhere (Harper USA is not under them) THEY tap into the HarperCollins USA distribution channels - and that is a marked improvement over IPG.
More: the HarperCollins 360 crew are very small, and they are HEROES! They have been steadfast, responsive, helpful, and I could not do without them.
The problem is: NO BUDGET for these titles; that would have to originate from London, as would all of the marketing/push to shelve the books in the stores, here....London is the head of the snake, they direct the show. Harper 360 does the best they can with what they HAVE, but they cannot motivate editorial in London.
Since the London office does not read the books - it is purely what shows on the ledger, for them...and likely, too, the reception the books get - bloggers talking, threads on social media, reviews, ratings, BUZZ that is audience driven.
I have no other way to reach them, no other way to ignite their enthusiasm or support for these titles - since they are not reading the WORK - their response to it has to come from hearsay/straight numbers/an upward trajectory in sales.
I've been doing the best I can to send info to direct the powers that be as to WHAT this series is about. To greater or lesser success/it's hard to get marketing to target something when Empire looms over it by sheer numbers, the knee jerk is, keep marketing it like Empire.
You've helped - I've SENT your reviews over to editorial; I've detailed as much info as I can in correspondence and e mails. I've participated in forums talking about OTHER books (because I can't talk about mine!!!) and it HAS raised some awareness, generated a presence, started a little mention and talk. But at the expense of a LOT of time/spent in outreach, where, honestly, I'd rather have been writing. But it was a matter of DO THIS or DIE.
The books are not dying. However: facts: a quick check of NUMBERS (reviews/ratings) on any cataloguing site (your access to stats) - GoodReads or LibraryThing - stacked against ANY other author writing comparable level work - will show you very very fast where this series 'stands' in public awareness. Look at the NUMBERS of ratings on, say Initiate's Trial - then look at any release within the past 5 years - and OMG, what you'll find is the hard reality.
This Is Where We Are. PROFOUND THANKS to everyone who is making an inquiry, writing a review, or starting a thread (none yet) - you are making a difference. I'd request, in such efforts: BE KIND, BE POLITE - because the very people who you are talking to/making inquiries of - they are on my side if they can be won over - so the carrot works far better than the stick.
Nobody's more frustrated than me - it makes me CRAZY, in fact, to the detriment of creativity - but working with what I have, all these years, with care and tact - has been what's kept this series alive.
I consider it a huge victory that the series will get finished out and published. My aim: is to see it break out before I'm done, if that is possible.
I am blessed in my allies, here. I would throw a huge HUGE party for the lot of you, complete with tickets to get here, if I had a hit success; nobody deserves it more, team. You've been here throughout.
It seems Amazon was smart. No US copies, we'll just slosh them from the UK. My book is also in pounds and Canadian dollars with a co.uk web site on the back for Harper Collins there.
The awesome thing about this is I didn't have to pay for the shipping over the pond to get my UK book! I did that for one author's book and it cost more than the book!
One more little nit-picky detail thing that I noticed today.
Did you know that Harper Collins 360 has got a Facebook page? I tripped across it online today, didn't know it was there before.
In my impatience, I did not do a thorough scan of the Facebook line of posts.
It was a most superficial look I took at the posts at the Facebook page.
I failed to find Destiny's Conflict,
or Janny Wurts.
Maybe somebody with more patience and time than I,
could and would visit Harper Collins 360 on Facebook, and ...
find what I failed to find?
There certainly were posts promoting everything else under the sun ...
Could be they are waiting for the January US release date?? Dunno....
I ordered from amazon. According to the tracking number......it is out for delivery. I should have it by the end of the day.
I am querying with Waterstones my preorder of the paperpack as it initially had the release date of the 18/10/17 and now it says 9/8/18. Fingers crossed it's an error on their part. If not I'm gonna get an ebook for my kobo then buy the paperback once it's out. I'm only not buying the hardback now as I have more paperbacks than hardbacks and I want them to match on my shelf. Trying to minimise how many I have to replace ^_^
Joelle the mass market paperback is not out till 2018, and some areas are not getting the trade paperback. I would look around online and see if you can get the trade paperback. Australia and Canada would have it.
Ah I see! My error then. Thanks Annette. I'll definitely get my ebook then and sort out a paperback when I can. I'm loathe to ship something so far if I don't have to.
Canada will be have the trade paperback out Nov 21st, https://www.amazon.ca have it up for pre-order.
Continuing to watch the USA site, Amazon dot com.
A curious nit-picky detail here;
if you don't like nit picky detail, you can stop reading this post now.
Amazon dot com in the USA
BOTH hardcover editions of Destiny's Conflict;
each has its own Amazon page.
By this I mean, the two hardcover editions are separated
by ISBN number.
So Amazon dot com now has the
UK ISBN number of Destiny's Conflict,
currently available, with all the sellers;
Amazon dot com has the
USA ISBN number of Destiny's Conflict
only for pre-order,
to be released in January 2018.
A brief mention of a different author, and a different series of books,
will seem off-topic.
The mention is meant as a comparison.
I just visited Barnes and Noble to ask, as I say,
after a different series by a different author.
The title for the most recent installment in the series
is listed at USA Amazon dot com with over one hundred fifty customer reviews.
The Barnes and Noble customer service representative
advised me that the title comes out in January 2018.
It's the eighteenth book in the Foreigner series
by C. J. Cherryh . . .
The US edition of Destiny's Conflict --
a little anti-climactic, at this point,
as we've already witnessed
the release of the UK edition.
But it comes out in a few weeks, yes?
I ordered a copy of Destiny's Conflict from a local branch of Barnes and Noble.
I have just received an e-mail from Barnes and Noble.
It says that the book is now at Barnes and Nobles central wherever, being prepared for shipment to my home.
This was a prepaid order.
Anyway, I guess the American/US editions must be on our shores now.
Melanie, I was just wondering if you'd received your copy, yet. US release date was yesterday - sounds like B&N is just tar slow. So very sorry. I can wish that things will go much better with Song of the Mysteries' release.
I write the books, and hope like crazy that they will reach the right audience.
My Barnes and Noble, US-edition, copy
Thursday, January 25
-- so anticlimactic after all the fuss
This one is only for the nit-picky geeks.
Now have three copies.
Two of them (the Amazons) have the ISBN
for the UK edition,
both inside the book and on the dust jacket.
The Barnes and Noble order, which was delivered to me last month,
is a hardcover, and inside the book
the ISBN for the US, a different ISBN, can be found.
That leaves the dust jacket.
The dust jacket lists, on the back cover section,
a little square with price and ISBN;
this little square
has been covered up with a STICKER with the US numbers.
Now, INSIDE where the dust jacket flaps
wrap around the hard cover,
each flap has:
the price on one inner flap
and the ISBN on the other inner flap.
Nobody covered THOSE with stickers,
and they have the UK numbers:
the price, in pounds sterling and Canadian dollars,
and the UK ISBN number.
So the publishers have US edition books
outfitted with stickered-up UK dust jackets.
Yup....that's how they do the export editions, here. All this cobbled together stuff has kept the books in print and available here.
If our numbers grow visible enough to warrant a separate printing of a US dust jacket (the paperbacks get stickered, too) then - we get an upgrade.
For that future, wait till you see what's going into Song of the Mysteries....