So, for those who've seen the most recent Doctor Who episode where it was revealed who River Song is, what did you think? Of course it leaves as much unanswered - and asks more questions - than it actually solves as Steven Moffat admitted.. but a great "reveal" all the same.
I found it interesting. But it doesn't quite (unless I missed something) explain why she and the Doctor meet each other in reverse time order. Also, we still don't know what she did to be imprisoned.
Those are two big questions which presumably will get addressed in the second half of this season later in the year. Along with with what we are lead to believe happened in the first episode.
Another New Doctor - I can't believe it's two and a half years since these posts. Very sorry to see Matt Smith finish. I thought the 50th Anniversary episode was fabulous! Now very much looking forward to Peter Capaldi's Doctor :D
Nice to see everyone's names again, been ages since I was on here. Hi everyone!!
After a shaky (for me) start with Matt Smith I have to say that I too am sorry to see him go. But harder for me was the departure the Ponds. That last scene was so very heart rending.
So Peter Capaldi's Doctor is the "Twelfth" Doctor. That doesn't count two doctor's that were mentioned recently. The war doctor, played by John Hurt, and the 'doctor who regenerated and didn't take a new face'. Based on that info Capaldi isn't the twelfth doctor, but the fourteenth. But then I never really counted the Hollywood Doctor (Paul McGann). So which number Doctor do you think we are on?
My understanding Peter Capaldi is either the thirteenth or the first doctor of a new set of 12 regenerations. Or so I read the Time Lords' gift was a new round of regenerations..
Tom Baker's appearance at the end of the 50th was magical.. he really is/was/will always be the best Doctor.
Paul McGann would have made an awesome Doctor, so sad he only got to do the movie. They gave him a mini episode if you haven't seen that, check it out - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-U3jrS-uhuo
He also did a ton of audio books during the period when there was no show.
Peter's Doctor will be #13, I doubt they will restart the count because that would be confusing.
Auna, I agree regarding restarting the count, but then I wasn't the one that decided to stick an unknown doctor in the mix or to interpret the energy flux that didn't result in a new body as a regeneration. I did find one website that indicated that the 12 incarnation rule is likely not a hard and fast rule anyway. Something about the Timelords granting the Master more regenerations. Something about Melody Pond (River Song) have regenerative capabilities in one episode. Sorry, I don't remember where the site is now.
Bottom line, as long as we the fans want to watch Doctor Who and the current actor wants to move on, there will be more regenerations... which is likely why the concept was introduced in the first place.
But the Master first stole a body, then later was given another regeneration by the time lords, so still he really only had 12 regenerations to start with. They made a big thing of that at the time as we were waiting to see if the Master was finally going to run out of lives. That they gave the Doctor a whole new cycle of regenerations right on what had suddenly become his final incarnation seems to back up the old 12 regenerations only thing. Now the doctor has at least 11 regenerations to go.
I have not watched Dr Who recently, but it seemed very confusing to me what we are up to. The hand of David Tennant's Doctor regenerated? I would have thought that made that one a clone. How come the current Doctor was the 13th at one point yet Matt Smiths version had no regenerations left? I will just continue counting up to 26, I am not likely to be around to see how they extend it past that.
But for something they never thought would last the Doctor sure is hanging on.
DT is still 10, Matt still 11 and Peter Capaldi is number 12. I think that is the way the writers want us to think. John Hurt's Doctor is not numbered because of his involvement in the Time War and the fact that the following Doctors have tried to forget about him. JH is the WAR DOCTOR and is not officially numbered. I do find Moffatt's writing difficult to follow at times but I kind of get the ordering of the Doctors. It was the only way they could get around Chris Eccleston not wanting to take part. I'm sorry not to see more of Chris but just so over the moon that his lack of involvement lead to John Hurt's part! So, I read it the same as Hunter… Matt Smith’s gift was a new cycle of regenerations which means that Peter Capaldi is number 12. Or number 1. Ha!
David Tennant's Doctor had his hand cut off in his first episode while fighting a sycorax on top of a space vehicle hovering over London. The chopped hand fell off and was presumed lost at the time.
The Doctor was able to regrow his hand because he was still in his regeneration cycle. That was actually a great scene where the Sycorax enemy he was fighting is like "Witchcraft" and the Doctor says "Timelord!" and then proceeds to defeat him.
The severed hand makes an appearance in the Torchwood series which shows how Captain Jack found the hand and kept it with him in order to track the Doctor so he could get back together with him.
The Doctor meanwhile doesn't want to hook up with Jack again because he's 'wrong'. However, Jack manages to leap onto the dematerializing TARDIS and winds up back with the Doctor and his current companion Martha. That's how the Doctor winds up with his own severed hand in the TARDIS.
Much later on, 10's Doctor gets shot by a dalek and regenerates in the TARDIS but he was able to put the extra regen energy into the spare hand he had with him so he could keep his current body.
I am pretty sure the only thing Chris's lack of participation did was prevent us from seeing the regen from the War Doctor to #9. John Hurt's War Doctor was added specifically so Moffat could address hardcore fans who wondered whether he would ignore the 12 regen rule or address it. And what better year to answer that huge question some of us had than to do it during the 50th anniversary.
This is probably why Matt Smith left - go out in a bang for the 50th. I bet if the 50th was next year we'd have had one more year of Matt's Doctor.
Thanks for the explanation Auna, it makes a bit more sense now. I remembered the hand being cut off, remember Jack carrying it around in Torchwood, remember Jack returned later, but must have missed the Dalek shooting the Doctor and the regeneration that did not result in a new Doctor.
The article I read to try and work out what number we were up to made it sound like the hand produced it own body and got counted as a regeneration.