Archive through February 01, 2005

Janny Wurts Chat Area: Book Nook: Archive through February 01, 2005
   By Cheryl on Tuesday, January 25, 2005 - 05:56 pm: Edit Post

I responded to this but it didn't show up here, or else Trys deleted it. I just wanted to say I'm enjoying King of Foxes and was stunned also by what happened to Tal. It totally threw me. I'm still not sure if he gets healed but I'm hoping he does. I'm glad it sounds like he does get healed. That's my only problems with these books is I wish they were longer. They end too soon. I remember seeing 380 pages and thinking I wish they were 500 or so like Janny's lengths on her books. Thanks for that on Robin Hobb Phil. Sounds great and I'm missing Fitz already. lol That sounds disappointing about Jimmy the Hand but maybe I'll still love it. I think Jimmy was best with Arutha when they were younger. I liked how they met and became what they are later on. Isn't that part of fantasy though, magicking things all better and a happy ending after tragedy and trials?

   By Cheryl on Tuesday, January 25, 2005 - 05:57 pm: Edit Post

Now I see my post up above in another spot. That's strange but I added more comments so it's good to keep them both.

   By Memory on Tuesday, January 25, 2005 - 06:17 pm: Edit Post


Isn't that part of fantasy though, magicking things all better and a happy ending after tragedy and trials?

I'm not so sure... :-) I like my fantasy to be pretty realistic in some senses. That's why I like Janny and Robin Hobb - their characters go through very difficult things, and are changed and by no means unscathed. The incredible things that they go through have a deep impact upon their character and the way they live the rest of their lives, and I think that's a realistic portrayal of how real people would react. Life doesn't always end happily.

   By Frank T Davis on Wednesday, January 26, 2005 - 10:04 am: Edit Post

Thanks for your thoughts Memory which are right on.I believe they are true for all of the very good Fantasy writers. Those who have become too commercial, i.e. who write strictly for the bucks or so it seems, tend to deviate from this and just drone on and on about senseless details. In his latest, Goodkind achieved your thoughts but I felt he added way too much repeated and unneeded details. It just seemed to be filler, like the publisher said he needed to produce a book of around 550 pages or so and he did. Don't get me too wrong, I'd still buy the book.

   By Cheryl on Wednesday, January 26, 2005 - 04:09 pm: Edit Post

But I don't want the hero to die. Heroes do die, but I don't like to read those endings. Just not for me. That would not be something I'd want to read. I know they are emotionally changed by the events, but I like them to still be alive and free. That's mainly what I meant by happy ending. Not fairytale ending, but that they still have their life to live even with the turmoils around them.

   By max on Monday, January 31, 2005 - 06:04 am: Edit Post

I LOVE it when the hero gets to live after all they go thru and sacrifice. I don't care what the bible says about Jesus going to heaven, after all that poor man did to change the world and bring hope and love, I seriously doubt that Heaven was a good enough reward. [I have never watched 'The Passion of Christ' and I never will] The first fantasy story I read was 'The Last Herald Mage' trilogy and I almost never picked up another one after that. I follow genres for awhile then after several years move on to another. I was seriously depressed when that story ended the way it did, but I was also having a bad time in my own life and I'm serious when I say that book ended the way it did almost did me in. But I got over it and even if 'Wars of Light and Shadow' were to end awful I will still have enjoyed a wonderful trip to another world and met amazing people and have seen wondrous stuff. [you know,, behind my own eyelids!!] So now I am grateful I kept reading. thank you forever Janny!!

   By Cheryl on Monday, January 31, 2005 - 06:15 pm: Edit Post

Max I know that is sad with The Last Herald Mage SPOILER:

but their's a surprise visit later on from the hero that made me think he lives in spirit somewhere happy so I was happy about it. I like the way fantasy is like that and heroes can come back in spirit or any other form sometime but sometimes they don't. It made me feel better though about that particular hero that was special to me too.

   By Rurack on Tuesday, February 01, 2005 - 09:41 am: Edit Post

For me it really depends on how I feel about the whole series. and the main character. Some series like Tad williams dragonbone chair a very fitting ending. It felt RIGHT for Simon. Just for some reason it felt RIGHT for Frodo to board the ships to the white shores. Just as it felt right that Thomas Covenant died to protect the Land...well until I read ruins that is. Sometime for the character the supreme act of love for the world or even one individual is self sacrifice. I pull another analogy here. Tolkien had Frodo get on that ship for a reason. After everything thta had happened to him how could he go back and just be Frodo Baggins again. If you ever read the apendix's (or however you spell it) the three other hobbits had real boring lives before but after Merry and Pippin grew taller than any known hobbit. The King came to Visit them!!!! Frodo was just all used up.

my $.02 anyway

   By Trys on Tuesday, February 01, 2005 - 11:41 am: Edit Post

And don't forget, after many children and many terms as Mayor of Hobbiton, Sam also went to the Gray Havens and set sail for Valinor... as the last of the Ringbearers.

   By Cheryl on Tuesday, February 01, 2005 - 03:09 pm: Edit Post

I got upset at the way Tad Williams down played Simon in the third book. I felt the series was all Simon and didn't like the way the others took over and Simon's part was reduced to something less important or he had less time in the front of it or that was how I felt while reading it. It's been awhile since I read that series though. I'd rather stay focused on the hero, but that's just me. I don't want heroes to die at the end just not my cup of tea. Just too sad for me. Vanyel was hard but I knew he was happy with that decision. I don't think they ever go back to being normal after these life changes and grand adventures. They mature and change with the events that happen to them. Like Arithon and Elaira have.