Janny Wurts Chat Area: General Discussion: Ebooks
   By Rhett Jones on Saturday, June 13, 2009 - 12:12 pm: Edit Post

I've had GREAT difficulty trying to get Stormed Fortress. I had ordered from Amazon last year and just last week cancelled my order as they couldn't get a copy. So I wonder if there is someplace the series, but especially SF is available? I've checked fictionwise.com and a few others, but no joy.

   By Trys on Saturday, June 13, 2009 - 12:32 pm: Edit Post


I suspect you ordered the trade paperback from amazon.co.uk, yes? If so, that edition of the book is out of print but the mass market edition is available from amazon.co.uk at http://www.amazon.co.uk/Alliance-Light-Stormed-Fortress-Shadow/dp/0007217811/ref =sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1244914249&sr=1-1


   By Rhett Jones on Saturday, June 13, 2009 - 03:27 pm: Edit Post

Thank you Trys..is this copy one of those small paperback books? I've got the other books in the big editions - I presume they are the trade paperbacks?

   By starstorm on Saturday, June 13, 2009 - 06:30 pm: Edit Post

Yes, the large ones are Trade paperbacks; the smaller ones are Mass Market. I was lucky enough to get a copy of the Trade paperback when it was first released, but I happened to be looking around for another copy for a friend, to match her collection of the trades also, and I found some here at ABE Books, which is my favorite place to look for out-of-print books. They do have a small remainder mark (what looks like a swipe of a black marker across the bottom of the book), but if you want that particular edition, it's a deal. The one I ordered was perfect except for that mark. According to the site, there are only 4 copies left, so I don't recommend waiting if you want one :-). Oh, and I did verify that the ISBN in the description is for the Trade, since it doesn't specifically say they are Trade paperbacks, but that is the price I paid for the one I just got about two months ago.


   By Rhett Jones on Saturday, June 13, 2009 - 09:22 pm: Edit Post

Thanks for that Anna.

   By Janny Wurts on Sunday, June 14, 2009 - 11:03 am: Edit Post

It is possible that Galaxy Bookshop in Australia still has a few copies of the trade paperback available. They can be found online. There may be a link about, here, someplace.


   By Hunter on Sunday, June 14, 2009 - 05:32 pm: Edit Post


   By Rhett Jones on Sunday, June 14, 2009 - 06:12 pm: Edit Post

Alot of books are being given the ebook treatment, fictionwise has a huge collection and my favourite ebook site at Baen. It would be great if Janny's books were released as ebooks. Over the last year I've bought far more ebooks than p-books and thinking of buying a proper ebook reader like the Sony PR505 or some such.

   By Mark Stephen Kominski on Sunday, June 14, 2009 - 06:49 pm: Edit Post

Sorry, Hunter beat me to it! Got mine from Amazon UK, which (like Trys says) shows a fair number of copies (42 right now), including one from a seller in Canada called "Bookcloseout" (might be cheaper than shipping from the Isles if you're here in the States, Rhett). You'd have to ask about the trade vs. mass market question. Good Luck!

   By Janny Wurts on Sunday, June 14, 2009 - 07:15 pm: Edit Post

Rhrett Jones - I believe that the series books are now available as e books - I saw someone on LT who reported getting the later volumes in that format (legally).

   By Mark Timmony on Thursday, June 18, 2009 - 01:06 am: Edit Post

Hi guys, unfortunately we only have the pb edition at Galaxy now. I contacted HarperCollins and they no-longer have any TP stock, nor is it likely that they will republish the TP and the Pb is now available.

If you do find that somewhere like Amazon.co.uk have it in stock still grab it.

   By Janny Wurts on Sunday, July 19, 2009 - 08:50 am: Edit Post

I saw that the cheapest used price at Amazon, for the large format version/first printing of Stormed Fortress, was $62.00 - so people still WANT them.

Other news: the books are also in the pipeline for the Kindle, if you are a gadget freak...I have inquired about the release timing, for this format, waiting for answer.

   By Theresa on Sunday, July 19, 2009 - 03:13 pm: Edit Post

Wonderful news about the Kindle... as much as Amazon annoys me to death (it's a profound love/hate relationship I have going with Amazon), I am very attached to my Kindle and nothing will make me happier than to be able to carry portable versions of your books. Keep us posted!

   By Phome on Sunday, July 19, 2009 - 10:32 pm: Edit Post

OOO - Theresa. I'm very intrigued by the Kindle. You recommend it then?

   By Kevin Lenth on Saturday, October 17, 2009 - 10:33 am: Edit Post

I'm a little late to the party here, but I just noticed that Grand Conspiracy, Peril's Gate, Traitor's Knot, Stormed Fortress, and To Ride Hell's Chasm are finally available in the Kindle store! I looked at a sample of SF, and I'm quite impressed; the maps survived the digital translation uncommonly well, the text seems more or less error-free, and they even included the s'Brydion bull marking chapters. ;)

Anyway, I will quite happily reinvest in these, my favorite books, in their digital form -- but is it known whether the earlier ones will also cross the digital divide? I would dearly love to have the entire series in my pocket library. (And as long as I'm asking, is there any chance for your other non-Atheran books, in particular the Cycle of Fire and the Empire trilogy? My omnibus of the former was lost in a move and the latter books are exploring career options as loose stacks of paper....)

And in response to Phome's query: I can't speak for Theresa of course, but I strongly recommend the Kindle, as long as you don't expect it to do much beyond displaying books (it's really not much of a "gadget" from that perspective!). Its scope is limited, but what it does do it does superbly; reading with it is a joy, and it is simply unbelievably convenient to have everything available in one (tiny!) place for instant access.

   By Theresa on Saturday, October 17, 2009 - 05:02 pm: Edit Post

Having thought I responded to Phome, I see now that I in fact did not (and just to make sure since I don't remember responding to another message... Janny, yes, that probably is me you have seen on GoodReads. I am there.). Ah, the joys of a crater-pitted memory. Yes. I deeply and strongly recommend the Kindle. ;) I've looked at the Sony Reader and played with it, but I decided the Kindle is better and will be better until Sony has theirs equipped with the wireless content delivery. As a very strong example of that, when Janny and Trys were nice enough the other day to announce that some of the books were in fact in the Kindle store, I literally sat in my car in the parking lot at Petsmart and purchased them then and there via the iPhone (yay for email equipped smartphones! Call me obsessive. I won't mind.) For the Sony unit, you have to make your purchases and hook the reader to the computer before you have your books loaded (and I'm not even sure the Sony software works with the Mac, which would make it useless to me). The Kindle downloads content straight on. And if you have an iPhone, the Kindle app is perfect. I used to carry my Kindle (fits in the purse); now I just have the content sent to the iPhone and can read it there, and then resend it to the Kindle itself after the fact. The Kindle is equipped with an SD slot, so you can really expand your memory with the unit... yes, it's a very nice thing. The newer one looks even nicer than my first gen Kindle, but the revamp wasn't sufficient to justify upgrading to the new one. When they go to a touch screen (oh, they must!), then I'm there. ;) That's one of the reasons I adore reading (despite the small screen) on the iPhone... touch screen.

I was in fact rather puzzled by the release of the last four WoLaS books... and really do hope they are preparing the first four. And a big "good job" to Harper for a nice conversion. On the whole, I've seen very few issues, and it's pleasantly readable. I've seen some genuinely ghastly Kindle conversions--some that are just annoying formatting issues (Sarah Monette's Corambis... an extra space between every single line of text) to others that are rendered nearly unreadable by problems (C. J. Cherryh's Fortress in the Eye of Time... plagued throughout by misspellings, typos, formatting errors, missing punctuation... horrific. Truly unfortunate; one of my all-time favorite books. Reported problems; Amazon's response: "You'll have to give us the location of the errors." Me: "Er... what part of hundreds upon hundreds of errors did you not understand? How much do you intend to pay me to copy edit this for you?"). It's wonderful to have these available and portable and readable... and so nicely done on Harper's part.

More, please? :-) Like Kevin, I would be especially glad to have the rest... Cycle of Fire especially.

   By Janny Wurts on Tuesday, October 20, 2009 - 09:58 am: Edit Post

The earlier books have to be formatted, and I understand it costs more to scan them in. Interest here has put the titles up on the list - but, I have not gotten a release date, yet. I will let you know when my editor answers that query.

Meantime, you can also inquire of HarperCollins, UK, directed to Voyager...this would speed the process as customer interest is driving how fast older titles get translated into e formats.

Cycle of Fire and the earlier titles - e rights are MINE. A publisher would have to buy them up...let's see what happens with the new releases driving up some interest. Alternatively, I could produce these titles, myself. Carolyn Cherry, Jane Fanchur and Lynn Abbey are exploring this. See the notes on Full Circle on Carolyn's website. I will be watching closely to see how they fare.

For the Empire - that is Bantam, and I think our contracts were signed before e rights were an issue. Something I ought to consider looking into...to see where the rights lie. Obviously if Ray and I own the rights, we'd be leaving money on the table if this was not pursued at some point.

   By Kevin Lenth on Tuesday, October 20, 2009 - 12:26 pm: Edit Post

Oh, that's great to hear; I think I will send a wheedling e-mail to Voyager. Thanks for clearing things up for us!

   By Janny Wurts on Tuesday, October 20, 2009 - 02:03 pm: Edit Post

Kevin Lenth - welcome here, and thanks so much for the vote of support (which is what writing to a publisher of your interests amounts to).

Voyager HC UK also published Empire in Britain, Australia, NZ. They likely do not own rights to e publish (the contracts for that series, while still in force, were early on, and nothing like e books existed) so it's not outside the realm that they might bid to acquire the Empire series in electronic format, too.

   By Kevin Lenth on Thursday, October 22, 2009 - 09:13 am: Edit Post

Here's the response I got back from HarperCollins, for anyone who's interested:


Thank you so much for your interest in HarperCollins ebooks and also for
your compliments on the quality of our ebooks. We also think this is
really important.

As for the earlier titles in her series, we are planning to create them
but have had a few hitches in the digitisation process because we're
working with older files and we don't want that to impact on the
quality. I hope that we can process them in the next few months though
so please do check back.

A few months seems an awfully long time to wait!

   By Clansman on Thursday, October 22, 2009 - 10:12 am: Edit Post

Sounds like they are trying to do it right, so good for them. It would not be good for this series to have a sub-standard e-publication.

Had enough publication problems to date, eh?

   By Janny Wurts on Tuesday, October 27, 2009 - 11:35 am: Edit Post

Word came back from Reading-Fox at LT that Traitor's Knot, and also, To Ride Hell's Chasm are now available in e book format. (Found at Waterstones).

   By Chirogeoff on Wednesday, November 18, 2009 - 05:30 pm: Edit Post

Hi all. I just tried to buy an e-book version of Peril's Gate from Harper Collins. They said that it was only available to people in the UK due to author/publisher restrictions and could/would not tell me where I might get one seeing as I am in Australia. I presume they are trying to sell distribution rights in Australia. Any suggestions? I've got all the hard copy but it looks just a little unprofessional to have them on my desk at work so I'd like to have them on my computer.

Oh, I don't post very often so I'll just throw in an:

I LOVE your work Janny!

A very frustrated Geoff

   By Kevin Lenth on Thursday, November 19, 2009 - 09:45 am: Edit Post

Geoff -- if you don't mind being locked into Amazon.com's format, I think you should be able to buy the Kindle version. They recently released a free PC application (Google "Amazon Kindle PC" to find it) for reading Kindle books, and I have to say it seems to work rather well.

-- Kevin L., local Kindle pusher

   By Theresa on Thursday, November 19, 2009 - 10:59 am: Edit Post

Kevin - I had to check this out, and I see there's a Mac version coming soon for us Mac users. Awesome! Kindle books everywhere... on the Kindle, the iPhone and soon the MacBook. Thanks for mentioning the PC app!

Gee, maybe I should install the PC version on my work computer. Oh, the temptation....

Theresa, another Kindle pusher. :-)

   By Janny Wurts on Thursday, November 19, 2009 - 01:02 pm: Edit Post

Now, I want to see what the MacBook does...curious, yes. Still hate the idea of reading tied up to batteries, though.

   By Chirogeoff on Thursday, November 19, 2009 - 03:38 pm: Edit Post

Kevin, Thanks. I had seen the Amazon/Kindle version and hadn't gone with it because it was slightly dearer than HarperCollins UK or Waterstones. I assumed, perhaps incorrectly, that if there were territorial restrictions for HarperCollins they would also apply to Waterstones and Kindle. I'll have to check it out.

Janny, I too am uncomfortable with the idea of reading restricted by batteries, but the idea of having so many of my favourite books so portable and accessible...I love it. I wouldn't fit all of my books on a Kindle though.

   By Janny Wurts on Thursday, November 19, 2009 - 05:18 pm: Edit Post

It's "save a tree" vs "cut down a mountain" for coal powered electric, at the moment (forests for paper are FAR better, ecologically, than selling them off for development)...and electronic trash disposal is horrific...but, the idea of being able to write on the road and have ALL the back books at hand to ref, where I could never haul the desk copies...that beckons.

They charge too much for the devices and the e books, in my opinion.

   By Derek Coventry on Friday, November 20, 2009 - 03:20 am: Edit Post

You can buy clockwork radios and wind up torches. Perhaps some enterprising company will adapt this principle to Ebooks.

   By Chirogeoff on Friday, November 20, 2009 - 05:48 am: Edit Post

I like the idea of someone powering their TV with an exercise bike or something but I think that reading should be a more peaceful activity.

   By Janny Wurts on Friday, November 20, 2009 - 09:33 am: Edit Post

Derek Coventry - I'd like that in principle...I'd still shudder to pack a reading device on a sailboat...saw a post somewhere about someone who spilled coffee on one and wound up with a 300 dollar paperweight.

But portable cd players used to cost bundles. Now, you can get one for 29 bucks. I shudder at the electronic waste, however.

   By Clansman on Friday, November 20, 2009 - 10:20 am: Edit Post

There was a recent Fifth Estate program on CBC (in Canada), sort of like 60 Minutes in the States (before CBS turned half of its program into infotainment) about electronic waste. Supposedly, it is to be completely recycled, but...

What happens is that unscrupulous "recyclers" sell it to places like China, where it is taken to the poorest areas, and where the people doing the recycling are handling mercury and lead and arsenic, burning plastics in order to extract the valuable materials, and dumping the slag right along side shanty towns. When the /i{Fifth Estate} went to China to film it, a gang of thugs kicked them out of the dump area, actually breaking the camera man's arm. These disposal sites are apparently run by organized crime gangs, exploiting the poorest of the poor.

Until electronic waste is adequately dealt with, I'll stick with paper, thank you very much. There is much more sustainable forestry happening now (with ample room for improvement, to be sure), and that resource is completely renewable, in time. The mining, toxic heavy metals and petrochemicals needed to make book readers and Ipods are not renewable, and take much more energy to produce and maintain.

Book reading devices do not appear to sit well with the Law of the Major Balance, whereas sustainable forestry and low or non-effluent paper production has a much better chance of doing so.

Just my two cents.

   By Phome on Sunday, November 22, 2009 - 05:18 pm: Edit Post

I'm very glad to see this debate taking place, since I study (do research on) and teach sustainability in business schools. The truth is that there is no perfect solution, unfortunately. There are problems with paper and there are problems with electronics. The difficulty is governance and having oversight over what actually goes on. We don't truly know what companies are doing, in the end. I have no answer about whether books or electronics are better. From a personal point of view, it seems that at least books are biodegradable, though the production process of making paper is dirty, and inks are even worse. My sense is that electronics are just as bad if not worse, with needing to use so many toxic chemicals that become part of our water system.

In the end, it's a difficult choice either way. I happen to like the feel and smell of books, and I like being able to leaf through them, write in them, mark pages and paragraphs. There is something very tangible about such a physical process. Somehow, I get much more emotionally involved when I have a physical source. As a result, I end up printing many of the articles that I have to read for work, but try to print 4 pages to a sheet of paper (double sided of course). I wish there was a better way ... perhaps we can invent our own magical solutions in the future.

   By Phome on Sunday, November 22, 2009 - 05:33 pm: Edit Post

To add to my last post, if anyone is interested, here is a life cycle analysis done in 2003 that compares printed books to e-book: http://css.snre.umich.edu/css_doc/CSS03-04.pdf

   By Phome on Sunday, November 22, 2009 - 05:45 pm: Edit Post

And a more recent study here: http://cleantech.com/news/4867/cleantech-group-finds-positive-envi

Both seem to suggest that ebooks are more environmentally friendly than printed books.

Sorry to bombard this across several posts. I should have done it all in one.

   By Derek Coventry on Monday, November 23, 2009 - 06:42 am: Edit Post

I see all the advantages for using electronic devices for reading and writing, but personally I like everything backed up on paper. I have never had full trust in electronic storage which is amusing when you consider my profession is in electronic engineering.

   By Kirsten Laurelle Wallace on Sunday, November 29, 2009 - 03:59 pm: Edit Post

I'd have to agree with Derek. I find it less enjoyable to read off of a computer screen. Even with my own writing I prefer to revise in printed format and then enter the revisions into the program when I'm done. I wonder if the next generation will feel differently. Maybe my preference for printed materials has more to do with habit than anything else. :-)

   By Janny Wurts on Friday, December 18, 2009 - 11:05 am: Edit Post

All you Carolyn Cherryh, Jane Fanchur and Lynn Abbey readers - they have announced the opening of Closed Circle, their self-run site for e books - apparently there will be choices: the verbatim editions you once bought as books OR a choice of the author's revised text.

This is a very exciting experiment - all money goes to the AUTHORS - if you enjoy these authors excellent works (every one of them is a masterful story teller!) go check out Closed Circle!

   By Chirogeoff on Monday, January 04, 2010 - 08:29 pm: Edit Post

I hadn't read any of these authors but I decided to have a look and have picked up two of Jane Fancur's titles so far. I think it's a great idea. You get instant access to the text and it's affordable. I wonder how they've got around publisher's rights for the books that came out in print. Perhaps the original contracts didn't include electronic versions.

   By Janny Wurts on Tuesday, October 12, 2010 - 10:15 am: Edit Post

A sharp eyed reader on LibraryThing has spotted an e version of Mistwraith at booksonboard.com...so maybe the publisher is moving on this at last.

   By Sleo on Tuesday, October 12, 2010 - 04:23 pm: Edit Post

Yay! I bought it! Now for Ships of Merior, either in its entirety or with a separate volume for Warhost of Vastmark!

   By Phome on Thursday, July 10, 2014 - 05:53 am: Edit Post

I'm sooo excited to find that the WoLaS series is available in e-book format on kobo. Thank you Janny for making this decision to publish in e-format. I know years ago you were hesitating. As someone who moves around all over the globe, I have long given up on buying anything in print -- too many heavy boxes to pack and ship each time.

I've immersed myself into the series from scratch, and am so delighted to re-experience it. It must have been at least a decade now that I've read the books. I also re-read the Empire series and realized I'd forgotten pretty much all the plot lines, so it was fun to redo it.

   By Janny Wurts on Thursday, July 10, 2014 - 09:10 am: Edit Post

Phome - thanks for the lovely note. Didn't so much hesitate but waited for the market to settle out enough to get better terms. Glad you are enjoying the convenience - and the re-read. Surely you'd be seeing a lot more than first shot through!

   By Phome on Saturday, July 19, 2014 - 01:02 am: Edit Post

Janny - this will be my third shot through (at least the first two books, if memory serves). The re-reading has certainly allowed me to see a lot more. For one, I'm a much calmer reader now, taking my time rather than rushing through. For another, with age, my understanding of language and writing has improved greatly. All the more to benefit a second read through.

I decided to pursue this series again as I keep seeing new books come out, but I've completely lost the thread of the storyline. Hopefully, this will bring it all back. But I must admit, even in book 2 a whole bunch of things happen that I have zero recollection of ever happening! It makes the re-reading a lot of fun.

Agree with you on the market settling. The e-publishers seem to have sorted themselves out nicely, even in the academic world which is always last to every new technology.

   By Janny Wurts on Saturday, July 19, 2014 - 08:32 am: Edit Post

Hi Phome, nice to hear from you.

The books were designed to read more than once; also, they will read differently the more life experience that you acquire. It's a story that has elastic in it, can be viewed intact from many angles. Hopefully this quality will become more apparent (to reviewers) over time. The tough part is trying to tackle it too young, or, with TOO much impatience. I expect readers to rush read the first shot through to see what happens; after that, the HOW it happens, and the other points of tension that are inbuilt create a whole other set of suspense, and a whole other range of narrative.

It's always fabulous when a reader takes note of this, or I can do my job well enough to 'win them' over into taking the journey through more than once.

And just WAIT until you see what is coming. The chapter on page (that I am smoothing out today) brings a lot of threads into a knot of convergency - and little bits of talk, little bits of detail and language, if you were to look back, would spring STARK to the eye. Because the connections were there, all along, just, at the time of an earlier reading, OTHER things were important and the value on what was said would not have connected.

Do enjoy yourself! And thanks for taking time to post. Its the sort of payoff encouragement that this forum gives, time to time, while I am working this huge story towards its conclusion.

   By john herrmann on Thursday, July 30, 2015 - 08:50 am: Edit Post

Looks like Goodreads is showing that a compilation ebook will be released of the 1st 3 books of the series.

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/25126701-the-wars-of-light-and-shadow-books- 1-3?utm_campaign=2015_8&utm_content=author_pos2&utm_medium=email&utm_source=new_ releases#

ebook, 2176 pages
Expected publication: August 13th 2015 by Harper Voyager
The Wars of Light and Shadow Books 1-3
ISBN 0008121788 (ISBN13: 9780008121785)
edition language English
url http://www.harpercollins.co.uk/

   By Janny Wurts on Thursday, July 30, 2015 - 01:16 pm: Edit Post

Checking on that-- to my knowledge, NO.

Thanks for the heads up.

   By Janny Wurts on Thursday, July 30, 2015 - 01:24 pm: Edit Post

All the 'buy' links from that page appear to be dead.

This was proposed; and quashed, for a lot of internal reasons.

Sorry for the confusion, but the idea never should have been 'announced' as a done deal. When it wasn't.

   By Annette on Thursday, July 30, 2015 - 08:48 pm: Edit Post

Barnes & Noble also have it up.
http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/the-wars-of-light-and-shadow-books-1-3-janny-wur ts/1121228273?ean=9780008121785

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=sr_nr_p_n_date_0?fst=as%3Aoff&rh=n%3A133140011%2Ck%3 AJanny+Wurts%2Cp_n_date%3A1249102011&keywords=Janny+Wurts&ie=UTF8&qid=1438307094 &rnid=1249099011

An eBook is hardly a high risk investment when they already have the books in digital format. Would help get some new readers. Why did HarperCollins say no?

   By Janny Wurts on Friday, July 31, 2015 - 10:01 am: Edit Post

I & my agent said no.

   By Janny Wurts on Friday, July 31, 2015 - 10:02 am: Edit Post

We had our reasons.

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