Arithon's execution

Janny Wurts Chat Area: General Discussion: Arithon's execution
   By Silvia Hemmings on Saturday, June 26, 2004 - 07:49 am: Edit Post

If the unicorn wasn't actually ATTACKING Arithon, but merely trying to free him on the curse, then Alithiel's wards would have remained quiescent. The sword only lights up when the defending cause is just, and if the Paravian was doing something to help Arithon there would be no need for defence, just or otherwise. I think the unicorn goes to attack him, the wards light up and the beasty realises it shouldn't hurt him and only deals him a glancing blow. Or it does kill him/ maim him, but hey, these are Paravians - I imagine they can heal mortal wounds and the like.
I have a question, sorry if it's been asked already: if Ath's Priesty type people (Adepts? -Haven't read the books for ages, just restarted Mistwraith in preparation for December - oh the suspense!) could have got rid of Lysaer's curse by dunking him in the fountain, why doesn't Arithon pay them a visit and make his life a lot easier?


   By skeoke on Saturday, June 26, 2004 - 04:58 pm: Edit Post

I'm pretty sure the cure is a one-way trip to Athliera. Not quite an acceptable trip for Arithon.


   By skeoke on Saturday, October 23, 2004 - 10:31 am: Edit Post


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Jieret's Sight falls more into the catagory of Dakar's waking vision




Whew! I'm glad I found this. As I continue my pre-TK re-read, dread of Jieret's vision keeps trying to sap my will to read the next book(s). And I have to keep reading!

I'm just at Mearn's meeting with Lady Talith. Was Jieret's augury related to the debacle at Riverton? Or was it still winter?


   By Sefi on Sunday, October 24, 2004 - 06:53 am: Edit Post

Riverton! But the execution there wasn't for Arithon. Didn't Jieret see an execution OF ARITHON under town trappings of state in high summer?
*spoiler!*
We might have thought it was talking about the Koriani trap with Fionn Areth in GC, but that was in midwinter. That leads one to think that Jieret's augury of an execution has not yet been played out. It's funny, because this means his visions don't show occurances in consecutive order. You'll recall Jieret later had a vision of Arithon fleeing into Kewar, something which happened relatively soon after: at least in the next book in the series. This, while his earlier vision is still left hanging. Makes things more interesting in my humble opinion. There's so much to keep track of.


   By skeoke on Sunday, October 24, 2004 - 09:24 am: Edit Post

Sefi ~

I was thinking that IF Arithon had been cornered in Riverton, AND Lysaer had actually been there for an execution...

I forgot that Lysaer had sailed for Corith.

Anyway, the timing is off. Riverton is early Spring, and Jieret's augury was high Summer.

400 odd years to go to see if it'll actually come to pass.

So far, I haven't seen a clan-born augury fail to come to pass, though Arithon tried with all his might to avert them at Tal Quorin.

At least nobody has Seen a ritual burning.


   By Sefi on Monday, October 25, 2004 - 06:12 am: Edit Post

True, true, fair points all of them. Though now that Arithon's out of Kewar, and in recovered mastery of his talents, he could put the fire out with shadow and not require Dakar's help (not to mention the backlash that followed). Fionn Areth would be the one to fear for, since he has no such safeguards.


   By skeoke on Monday, October 25, 2004 - 01:42 pm: Edit Post

Thanks. Hadn't considered that.

(Have I mentioned that the character I most resemble is Dakar? As in "memory as holed as a seive".)

If Arithon's shadows can withstand Khadrim fire, it's a good bet they can withstand a wood fire. Even if the fire has sorcerous backing.

So, no worries. Arithon'll be just fine. :wink:


   By Sefi on Tuesday, October 26, 2004 - 05:43 am: Edit Post

Which is lucky for us.

(LOL) Dakar? Poor you! I wince just READING about him. Funny thing is, he did have a good excuse for being miserable all the time, if not for being vicious. He's almost like commic relief!


   By James A. Messick on Monday, September 05, 2005 - 02:36 pm: Edit Post

YOu know there is a possibility that if arithon is executed but not dismembered or burned that he might not really be dead. He mentioned something in one of the books about the fact that the 500 year thingy could possibly keep him alive through a deathblow if he's not burned or quartered. I found that interesting especially since it goes and makes him something Like fellowship sorceror's in my mind... Sort of like the drake bindings.


   By Blue on Monday, September 05, 2005 - 04:32 pm: Edit Post

Arithon told Parrien s'Brydion in GC. Did Parrien ask, so that he would know what to do if he were able to get his hands on Lysaer to kill him?


   By Hunter on Monday, September 05, 2005 - 11:45 pm: Edit Post

As mage trained, would Arithon be able to survive the physical death of his body as a shade, a la Kharadmon and Luhaine?


   By skeoke on Tuesday, September 06, 2005 - 02:06 pm: Edit Post

How much has he learned from Davien?


   By Andy on Tuesday, September 06, 2005 - 02:07 pm: Edit Post

I think Arithon has a long way to go before he approaches the magnitude of consciousness and raw power possessed by the Fellowship Sorcerors. The two discorporate F7 may be that way as a result of the dragons' binding, their incomparable knowledge of self and devotion to the Law of the Major Balance, or both.


   By Hunter on Tuesday, September 06, 2005 - 05:39 pm: Edit Post

I agree with your comments Andy, however if Jieret can achieve this with his latent mage talent that Arithon ennabled in Daon Ramon, I would have thought Arithon could achieve this.


   By neilw on Wednesday, September 07, 2005 - 02:56 am: Edit Post

Arithon does not have the same level and he is also likely to adhere to similar restraints such as respecting the LotMB.

However he is not "bound" by drakes and practices elemental mastery. So passing the wheel is possible for him; not for F7...

This might give him an edge against the F7 if ever their views disagree...but so far his goals and philosophy are close to F7...he's on their side so to speak...he was not impressed by their interference in TK however. Could there ever be a conflict?

The F7 consider elemental mastery an "unwise" approach...curiously we have not yet seen any ill effects on neither L or A for practicing elemental stuff nor on Athera...so where is the downside I wonder? Fear generated in the public?


   By Hunter on Wednesday, September 07, 2005 - 07:10 am: Edit Post

I'm thinking this discussion is probably better held in the TK Spoiler topic..


   By Lisa on Friday, May 12, 2006 - 03:29 am: Edit Post

Hi there.
I just read silvia's post about a unicorn attacking Arithon and i have no idea what she is talking about! I have read all the books a couple of times and i don't remember anything about a unicorn.
Can anyone explain this please?
I'd hate to think i missed something like that.


   By Andy on Friday, May 12, 2006 - 07:56 am: Edit Post

I re-read last summer after TK, but it amazes me how fast the details flee from my memory. I don't remember the book, or the place, and I'm not even that certain of the circumstances, but somebody (Elaira, I think) had a vision of a unicorn charging toward Arithon, with its long, sharp, horn lowered and pointed right at Arithon's chest, giving the viewer the distinct impression (rightly or wrongly) that Arithon was about to skewered intentionally by a Paravian.


   By Neil on Friday, May 12, 2006 - 10:19 am: Edit Post

I'm fairly certain it was Dakar that (fore)saw this...he was trying to seek a way forward in Fugitive Prince? (whilst they're still away from paravia).

Elaira has met a unicorn in a grove. Another unicorn was "seen" all the way back in COTM when the sunlight came back...apart from that all we're seen is unicorn paravian ghosts...


   By Blue on Friday, May 12, 2006 - 11:30 am: Edit Post

Give Neil a Kewpie doll - it was indeed Dakar who had the vision of a unicorn skewering Arithon in a vision in FP.

He had gone ashore on Kathtairr [sp?], and was trying to help Arithon, who was still mage-blinded, figure out what to do next. Unfortunately, the augury slipped his control, and the vision of the unicorn attacking Arithon was one of the things he saw.


   By skeoke on Friday, May 12, 2006 - 12:19 pm: Edit Post

The good news, though, is that he remembers the vision. So, it is not fore-doomed.


   By Lisa on Sunday, May 14, 2006 - 03:26 am: Edit Post

Thanks guys... now that you say that i do actually remember it!
Cheers.


   By Robert on Thursday, June 08, 2006 - 06:00 pm: Edit Post

Hey everybody!! What if the Unicorn was under possession from a free wraith in Dakar's vision? That would explain Alithiel wakening. Maybe that's why they left the continent, because they are afraid of possession from the free wraiths. How sad would it be if a wraith could take over a paravians spirit? If they can do it to a fellowship sorcerer, then why not to a paravian? Scary thought huh?


   By neil on Friday, June 09, 2006 - 04:23 am: Edit Post

Hi Robert

I wondered that. Janny said that a paravian could NOT be possesed :-) (I think it is in the FAQs)

I suspect that Dakar has misread the potential action / consequence of the vision?


   By Robert on Friday, June 09, 2006 - 03:26 pm: Edit Post

Thanks Neil. What makes it a real puzzle is that his sword reacts. Wonder why?


   By pat selbie on Sunday, October 08, 2006 - 03:36 pm: Edit Post

The Paravians had to be persuaded to let the humans stay on Athera ( and Davien agreed): if they revoke that consent due to L's "religion" and consequences, Arithon could be trying to defend the people from the unicorn, which would be a righteous cause...


   By Ben on Sunday, October 08, 2006 - 04:25 pm: Edit Post

Would beings of such grace really resort to something so primitive as stabbing someone with their head? Remember when Arithon first came to *realise* Alithiel and was appalled that he had ever used it for killing. That was a forged sword, not the actual body of a Paravian, so I can't really see it happening. Wouldn't they deal with anyone they had problems with using spells, like they did with Ciladis (spelling?)


   By Annette on Sunday, October 15, 2006 - 08:31 pm: Edit Post

Here's a thought. I don't know if someone has already brought this up or not but if not it might be worth considering. In re-reading the glossary there is mention of Riathan Paravians being unicorns, "the purest and most direct connection to Ath Creator; the prime vibration channels directly through the horn." So maybe the unicorn in Dakar's vision isn't attacking Arithon, maybe instead he/she is trying to somehow connect Arithon with Ath Creator? Or show him a vision...? Does that make any kind of sense? Especially considering that Arithon is also connected to Riathan as it's High King (if yet uncrowned).


   By Jay_Jay on Sunday, October 15, 2006 - 11:03 pm: Edit Post

Interesting thought, Annette! Dakar might have misinterpreted what he saw, and automatically assumed the unicorn meant Arithon harm. It could also be the unicorn was protecting something... aren't there unicorns guarding Cildas?..and was merely warning Arithon.


   By Trys on Monday, October 16, 2006 - 01:33 pm: Edit Post

However, Alithiel has engaged its starsong which it only does when it is being wielded in a just cause.


   By Laneth Shadow-Walker on Monday, October 16, 2006 - 11:45 pm: Edit Post

*thinks*

Then again, the Riathan could be channeling the almighty rage of Dhakaron Avenger / Ath Creator?
*smitiness with the angry fist of a god*

Then again, maybe the just cause goes against the will of said deity, and so there is the scene.

I'm not really eloquent today...I'll come back to this...


   By BILLEEBEE on Saturday, October 21, 2006 - 02:33 am: Edit Post

Could the unicorn in Dakar's vision be the same one that blessed Elaria? Is there a connection there for the tragic lovebirds??


   By Jo on Saturday, October 21, 2006 - 02:28 pm: Edit Post

I also think that Dakar could have misunderstood this. Was Arithon laying in a pool of blood? All we have is the unicorn with its head down ready to charge and the sword sending warning so to speak. My thought is that the Raithain does not want to be found yet and that maybe they don't know who arithon is. Or it is just a warning for Arithon to get lost and leave them alone. Just a thought


   By Laneth Shadow-Walker on Sunday, October 22, 2006 - 05:11 pm: Edit Post

Or maybe there was something behind Arithon and he didn't notice as he was overawed by the the Riathan.
That could explain the charge "at" him, as well as Alithiel flaring up...


   By Annette on Friday, April 15, 2011 - 01:51 am: Edit Post

I also think Dakar misunderstood what he was seeing. He saw the unicorn poised in the rampant and assumed he was going to charge Arithon, shortly after the head is dipped it seems near Arithon and Dakar again assumes it is going to gore him. Arithon is on his knees in the sand, using Alithiel for some purpose we do not yet know, but obviously a just cause. What if Arithon called the unicorn? Or asked for Ath's guidance and the unicorn was his answer. Would a unicorn just appear placid on 4 legs after being plucked from who knows where, or could it appear in the rampant position (rearing up) perhaps startled or for some other reason. It cannot touch Arithon with its horn unless it lowers its head. Unicorns have better things to do with their horns than gore people.


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