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Janny Wurts Chat Area: Arc 5: Song of the Mysteries: Speculation (Spoiler Rules Apply)
This is a thread for your speculation on what will happen in Song of the Mysteries, the final book of the Wars of Light and Shadow.

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   By Annette on Thursday, October 05, 2017 - 12:25 am: Edit Post

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And still Lysaer is not free of that curse it seems. Janny could probably skip a few convalescent years, save all that swearing Arithon is going to be doing, for probably a while.

   By Dan on Friday, October 06, 2017 - 02:20 pm: Edit Post

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At least Lysaer seems to have come to some sort of realisation and acceptance of remorse for his needs, the start of the emotional healing process. I thought as I read those last scenes for the first time since Curse I could actually see him being able to meet Arithon face to face. Once Arithon has recovered and if he doesn't go into total shut down over his various betrayals, I wonder whether the Biedar knife will be able to free Lysaer from the curse fully.

And what are the implications for Elaira of her quartz crystal being cleared? Once she finds out (if she doesn't already know) will she ask help to free her of her Koriani oath?

Song of the Mysteries is going to be very busy tying up the various strands.

   By Auna on Friday, October 06, 2017 - 03:46 pm: Edit Post


I had the same thoughts Dan. Though Lysaer began knowing about the curse before this book. I still think Arithon will sing him whole, but we'll see.

I'm at a loss for where the knife gets used now. I thought it would be a good stabbing at Morriel but that got awesomely handled without it. Used to slice through wards... dang, I have that in my book I just pub'd. I swear I didn't copy that idea!

There's no reason for Elaira to remain in the Koriani now that her crystal is wiped. Was anyone else bummed about that? I was expecting her crystal to do something heroic, I guess. *sniffles*

Notice how Arithon got to SEE Traith pre-injury? Oh, yah, that's gonna be awesome to restore him next book.

   By Dan on Friday, October 06, 2017 - 03:56 pm: Edit Post

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If Traithe's carved out faculties are mired up with Desh Thiere in Rockfell, I'd imagine it would take the final defeat of the Mistwraithe before we'd see Traithe restored, but that was a special scene where Arithon got to see Traithe in full, not to mention all the others.

The Biedar Knife still has a part to play, maybe many, I'm pretty sure. In Arithon's hand many wards might be broken...

I still think it will take Arithon to heal Lysaer (with Daliana by his side), how that happens, whether music, the knife or some other means I don't know. But I can't see him being able to rid himself of the curse by himself, he doesn't have the faculties.

   By Annette on Friday, October 06, 2017 - 05:39 pm: Edit Post

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But the Biedar knife has already been used on Lysaer, did not free him of the curse. I still think Arithon is to use the knife on himself, and maybe a long line of offspring.

All the hints point to Arithon saving Lysaer. According to the Biedar Eldest Arithon was the key to redeeming Lysaer and no one else killing Arithon would save Lysaer. Once Lysaer is free of the curse, his justice will run true again, Daliana had some thoughts on the consequences of that, and also on what would be worse for Lysaer, if he had killed Arithon himself. Back in CotM, when Lysaer's hands were burned, was likely another clue. Arithon has to save Lysaer, from himself, his own justice? Freeing him of the curse is not going to be enough to save Lysaer no matter which method Arithon uses, music or crossing the wheel. Davien mentioned in Stormed Fortress they could not yet free Lysaer, so they are intending on doing it.

Dakar seemed to think there would be a plan in place after Arithon died, although Elaira was having none of it.

Song of the Mysteries would be a fitting place for Athera's Masterbard to be achieving a miracle or two.

   By Annette on Saturday, October 07, 2017 - 12:54 am: Edit Post

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So what do we think is kept on the 5th floor of Althain tower? Had Asandir worried when he heard Sethvir singing a dirge there, he planted himself against that door, just to be sure nothing happened.

   By Dan on Saturday, October 07, 2017 - 03:39 am: Edit Post

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Now that was probably one of the biggest mysteries of DC. Janny has always been cagey as to the some of the other floors of Althain Tower. I seem to remember when someone asked what was the tower layout she deliberately skipped over the 5th.

Clearly it's something either really powerful or really significant which seems strange that it's kept at Althain, usually the Seven have kept things that powerful warded somewhere else. But I'd assume it must be something that has been accepted by Shehane Althain's spirit as tower guardian, and it was made even cleared in this book that how you act in Althain is proscribed and guaranteed by Shehane.. But whatever it is it clearly had Asandir worried, and Sethvir didn't randomly choose to sit outside on the 5th. I wonder whether it may have something to do with the Seven's history.

   By Auna on Saturday, October 07, 2017 - 06:34 am: Edit Post


Maybe the knife could remove the resonant blood line binding? I don't like the idea that offspring have no choice, no free will with getting that. And in a case like Arithon's it's really nasty. Or maybe that goes away when the Fellowship gets to leave. It might also be the only way to save Lysaer since his justice thing is going to put the blame all on himself for every death. I think Arithon can sing him to forgiveness. I know a Paravian could have if he'd asked for it, but he's outside the compact now, so I think it has to be Arithon or bust.

The 5th floor is soooo typical Janny. But it was pretty much implied that the sisterhood would in likelihood dig up the Fellowship's history. So I don't think that's what's behind the door. Unless it's the weapon they will use to remove humanity. That has never really been discussed (for good reason).

   By Julie on Saturday, October 07, 2017 - 07:34 pm: Edit Post

I had many of these same thoughts- I imagine time will be skipped so both Lysaer and Arithon heal. Amongst my many questions: Arithon did not really die- he was resuscitated by Elaira and Kharadmon. Why did Lysaer think Arithon passed the wheel? That scene seemed to last quite a while (as long as the resuscitation? Did the Sorcerer's ward prevent Lysaer from sensing Arithon?.) Will the curse resurge? Arithon has been literally on death's door before and we did not hear about the effect on Lysaer before.

   By Annette on Sunday, October 08, 2017 - 12:25 am: Edit Post

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A sword through the heart, a mangled spine and almost drained of blood, I would say Arithon died. His spirit stayed intact and never seemed to go far, but he still died. Those priests seem to have told Lysaer Arithon was dead, and not being under influence of the curse at that time, Lysaer took his anger out on them and tossed them out. Lysaer does not want Arithon dead, the curse does.

When Arithon's spirit was contained in Alithiel, Lysaer was more himself, pressure was off him. When Arithon used Alithiel at Alestron, Lysaer still felt the curse, but he could be more himself. Nerve wracked, guilt ridden, anguished, but he had more freedom from the effects of the curse, it could no longer blind him. When Arithon was in Kewar, and while he was imprisoned by the Koriani the curse seems to have been dormant. Arithon was not really dead that long at Etarra, and they way his spirit was returned, inflamed the curse. So a bit hard to tell if Arithon dying affected Lysaer or not. But it would seem Arithon does have to cross the wheel in order to free Lysaer rom the curse, his body would have to be burned to prevent him returning, and his spirit would have to cross. We have seen that spirits can cross back, we have only seen one free spirit reincarnated as themselves though, Davien. Although there was that thing with Cianor Sunlord/Moonlord, which Janny has yet to fully explain. And what happened to Asandir's horse.

Or Arithon might find a way to free Lysaer another far less painful way. Have to wait and see. But the warnings Lysaer has received seem to show they will do it the hard way.

   By Julie on Tuesday, October 10, 2017 - 12:44 pm: Edit Post

Normally I would agree about that kind of massive trauma ending one's life. But, Asandir did tell Elaira that Davien's longevity spell was in effect and her efforts combined with a sorcerer's would start the healing process.

I never thought Lysaer wanted Arithon to die- it was clearly always the curse. In those rare moments of clarity, Lysaer did not use hateful language when speaking of Arithon. I interpreted that ending scene as Lysaer being so distraught that Arithon died for multiple reasons not the least for a lost relationship. He kept saying "half brother".

   By Roisin on Saturday, October 14, 2017 - 09:11 am: Edit Post



Elaira is Fferedon 'Li - bringer of light. Light to where - to Arithon? To the land? She's done the graft, her abilities are sharp. Will they work in tandem like they did in Merior, but with the land, excising the various threats?
What would that end up looking like: the records of the 7th age sages only record Arithon as the Master of Darkness, and the records of the religion of light remains.
So will A&E * leave, in the end, perhaps retire with Ciladis to the Island preserve of the Paravians, and what was with that plant blooming on Kaithtairr - a new home - go there? With they even, lose their lives to heal the land? Will a healed/exorcised Lysaer take on the job of managing humanity to the end of his days, a just cause in the name of his half-brother's sacrifice? Will the people who survive the upstepped vibration integrate with the clans and live in harmony with the land?
And yes - all the other things - the Biedar's role - what is it? Will they reclaim the Koriani, integrate with the male talent and forge something akin to Ath's brotherhood - or be absorbed by them, or fill in as they leave to live with Paravians? Lirenda seems set not to be able to survive Paravian Grace or the Source - given her crushed spirit - that's sad. I remember Asandir saying about Dakar - that it would take a 1000 years, but that he'd acquire the stability of diamond... will he inherit something from the 7, be able to guard humanity given his seer's talent?

An advent calendar of puzzles now resolving - and yet - is does seem to be about humans evolving. It would seem the over-arcing message that some humans are inherently better than others - for example 'clay in her nature' that Feylind 'realises' when she's standing next to Arithon as he engages in mage-work. I can see the allegory of how the polarities of existence are constantly in a dance of balance and that each cycle requires us to evolve - that we create our own traps and then are forced to use ingenuity to surmount them, and that those who don't, fall by the wayside... utilitarian-Darwinian elements woven with the esoteric/quantum strands. Source seems to be a frequency/energy that has a 'reset' or 'restorative' quality - which is earned by surmounting challenges, rather than being intervened with by a Deity, and then a Paravian or someone anointed can channel. Because of the Newtonian element - it's shadow - false religion or corrupted, vampire-like practices that bloom in areas that are not frequently kept at a high vibration - the Paravians evolved from the destruction of the Drakes... what will evolve from the destruction of humans?

Whatever it may be - I think those of us who've been on this 20+ year journey with JW... need some resolution! By Dharkaron's bollux. (Are we going to see Dharkaron behind all this in the end - behind the madness...?)

(*A&E - Accident & Emergency... doing triage on Athera before its existence is swallowed by the True Sect, various critters, wraithes and then the compact directive... XD )

   By Annette on Sunday, October 15, 2017 - 12:30 am: Edit Post

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Biedar not with Ath's adepts will probably leave Athera, once their prophecy is fulfilled. The Fellowship, and maybe some dragons could also leave. Once freed of the compact some of the Fellowship of 7, might want to restore something they lost a long time ago. Although Davien might stay close by restore something on a gate world.

I think Arithon and Elaira will stay on Athera, help heal Athera and watch over humanity's development, keep the mysteries alive and flourishing.

Tarens has shown, no matter how talentless your beginnings or how much 'clay' in their nature, every one has the potential to have talent. But it might be best if the townborn take a slightly slower path than Tarens.

   By Melanie Trumbull on Sunday, October 15, 2017 - 04:09 pm: Edit Post


I look forward to SIX sorcerers, rather than five, collaborating from Althain Tower. Ciladis already knew what Traithe looked like after surviving the Mistwraith attack; I imagine Traithe is going to look long and hard at Ciladis. Shoot, wait until Asandir gets a look at him.

Then we have the Laurel and Hardy act of the Fellowship, Kharadmon and Luhaine. One of them now replacing Davien with Seshkrozchiel. Davien will take it seriously that Arithon set Ciladis free.

That's even without the question of the "old races" of Paravians.
Ciladis is going to be essential in the confrontation between present-day Paravia / Athera and those Paravians who have been behind powerful wardings for centuries.
OOH, this is going to be complicated.

   By Annette on Sunday, October 15, 2017 - 05:41 pm: Edit Post

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There will only probably be 5 sorcerers collaborating, Luhaine is out of the picture while Seshkrozchiel sleeps. And Davien is not likely to change his stance till Arithon does what ever he is expected to do, prove Davien right most likely.

The only confrontation Ciladis is likely to be involved in is the one between Arithon and Asandir.

Ciladis will stay someplace well shielded during mankind's bloody conflicts. And the Paravians will not return till the conflict and the Mistwraith are dealt with. The Paravians are even more endangered now they are no longer hidden, they will not get involved with mankind's conflicts.

   By Julie on Tuesday, October 17, 2017 - 10:01 am: Edit Post

Why should the Paravians be more endangered now? Their location is known by those who give their lives to protect that secret. The wardings around the island are still as strong.
We have another 200 years to reach the end of Lysaer and Arithon's life span. My assumption is that peace will arrive before as Lysaer will survive his needed encounter with the Paravians to help with that outcome. Both princes are needed for resolution with the Mistwraith.

   By Roisin on Wednesday, October 18, 2017 - 04:46 pm: Edit Post


... more endangered now... because it ain't over 'til the Masterbard's apprentice sings...

Sethvir theorised that bits of Traithe were trapped with the wraiths in Rockfell - so IF the brothers finish the work, then Traithe might be restored...?

And why does the seeress keep staring into the Sun, what is she looking out for?

   By Walt on Thursday, October 19, 2017 - 10:55 am: Edit Post


I'm intrigued by how... or IF... the curse reacts once Arithon was stabilized and his spirit once more firmly anchored in re-established flesh. Lysaer felt and knew when his brother was killed - however he does recognize the prospect that the Five Centuries fountain may allow him to "redouble the toll of mass slaughter" if Arithon were to recover from seeming death.

Could the be a blunting of the curse's directive with the clinical death/restoration of Arithon, or will the coils of the curse be just as binding?

And now I need to go back and track down that little bit of Asandir running a quick errand over to Kathair and look for any additional clues...

   By Annette on Friday, October 20, 2017 - 03:48 am: Edit Post

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I re-read the book twice trying to work out if I missed something about Kathtairr, could find nothing.

Perhaps Cathukodarr had a reason to sear the place lifeless? Did the dragons create hate wraith's, Methuri over there, or something else nasty that is maybe returning now? Apart from it was in a gellid pool there was no hint as to the identity of the ill-spawned anomaly Asandir went there to dispatch.

   By Melanie Trumbull on Friday, October 20, 2017 - 05:48 pm: Edit Post


Oh, those nasty little ole DRAKES.
I think if one dragon is up to something,
all of them are.

So I suggest, look through the book
at every exchange/connection
between a sorcerer and a dragon.
So, besides Asandir and Cathukodarr
(this must be the King Drake Eckracken's sweetie?) ,
there is:

Sethvir, who is concerned about
a "sinkhole through time," remember that?
And he goes trundling off to the grimward
at Radmoore to make contact
with the shade of Haspastion,
the dear departed sweetie of Seshkrozchiel.

Connected? Why not?

   By Annette on Friday, October 20, 2017 - 06:11 pm: Edit Post


Dragons are a mystery to me, but I thought maybe Sethvir was attempting to find out what Seshkrozchiel might do, when things finally turned for the worse, by speaking with Haspastion?

No ideas on sink-holes through time. The dragons are maybe getting ready to depart? Maybe Sethvir wanted to find out from Haspastion what the dragons were up to?

   By Melanie Trumbull on Friday, October 20, 2017 - 10:30 pm: Edit Post


I don't know how important it is:
but, at the risk of repeating myself,
remember that there is a connection between Kathtairr
and Eckracken.
True, Eckracken's grimward is on the Paravia continent,
not on Kathtairr.
However the Eckracken reference was made when the grimwards were being tended by the Sorcerers.
As I recall,
Sethvir said that at every full moon, Eckracken's mate,
who had died at Kathtairr,
was accustomed to mating with Eckracken;
therefore, Eckracken's ghost, at every full moon,
would become particularly wrathful,
and Eckracken's Paravia grimward would need attention.

So, when Asandir has to look in on the newly revived Kathtairr landmass,
to see what has come to life there...
would the anomaly there be connected
not only to Cathudokarr,
but to Eckracken in some respect?

   By Annette on Saturday, October 21, 2017 - 03:53 am: Edit Post


The dragon spirits are contained in the grimnwards, they would not I think be able to have any influence on what life develops on Kathtairr.

Eckracken's grimward on Paravia only needed Asandir's attention at the time, because the grimaward was damaged, Eckracken can get wrathful all he likes, he is not escaping a restored grimward. As far as we know there are no live dragons currently on Kathtairr. And if one was hibernating there, you would think they would have learned their lesson after their last batch of creations caused them so much trouble.

   By Julie on Monday, November 27, 2017 - 12:11 pm: Edit Post

Just finished my second read- even more questions and suspicions. Walt- I do not think Lysaer will "redouble the toll of dead" when Arithon recovers. I was struck by how he has kept his gift under tight control (unless he has lost access to full command?)- particularly while suffering under a True Sect probe.
I also found it interesting that Lysaer calls Arithon his half brother and Dace(the mere servent) knew who he was talking about. I did not think that connection was known outside of a few select people who died centuries before. Distraught, Lysaer may not have noticed Dace's knowledge of the family ties or the Mistwraith's prime directive.

   By Cheryl Hryncewicz on Saturday, March 24, 2018 - 11:14 am: Edit Post


Recent lurker, first time poster. Have finished the first read through all four arcs and am through a second reading through FP.

Koriathain: Will there be a confrontation between Elaira and Lirenda? Lirenda will still cause much mischief when she finds out about the doings of the F7, formerly known as the brilliant research team of Calum Kincaid and six associates.
I don't think the Koriani will be eliminated since their knowledge of healing is needed to counter the results of the True Sect purge of talent. The Skyron Aquamarine will be cleared, freeing Koriani and Elaira from their oaths and restoring free will.

Arithon: A fair amount of time will pass to allow for healing. (Hoping A gets his T.H.E. Cat reflexes back after his spine is healed). He will have his memory restored and will not be pleased with the F7. The number of times he's passed back and forth through the veil has to have changed him. He will return to the Paravians and ask for help, perhaps with Ciladis. He'll get a new lyranthe from Elshian made specifically for him. He'll play at the focus point Athir; this will clear the dissonance in the lanes and allow the Paravians to return. It's titled “Song of the Mysteries” after all. But before that, will he deal with the Koriani with Elaira? And there's the True Sect who murdered Vivet and Valien. Am unsure about the Biedar knife.

Dakar: There are his prophecies from FP (p. 135 mass ppk ed.), “a new city embedded in tangled black cane of old briars.” and “A city sheeted in fire and burning; a child, dead in the dust” as well as the black rose prophecy. The Severnir in Daon Ramon will be rechanneled to its original flow for part of the first prophecy to be fulfilled... a city needs water and black roses need water as well. Will A forgive him?

Lysaer: Will he be redeemed? The justice tower at Ithamon is rubble. His sense of justice will always be flawed, unless the tower is rebuilt? He and Dace/Daliana will work to try and foil the True Sect, wont be too successful, and he will have to face the music with the Paravians.

Elaira: Is it possible that's she's related to Dakar? Much is made of Dakar's philandering. With all the doxies he's visited over the past five hundred years, there had to have been a few bastard babies born. Even Elaira's mother. She could have been working in a brothel, got pregnant and was thrown out. Also, back in CofM, when Elaira goes to Enithen Tuer's place, Asandir knows who she is. Was this just from Sethvir telling him via his earth sense, or can Asandir see ancestry when looking at someone. He knew Sulfin Evend was a scion of s'Gannley...

F7: Are they really as benevolent as they seem? Adhering to the Law of Major Balance. Wasn't it a little too convenient for Dakar's mistake to have landed Arithon in stir with the Koriani and clear out a couple million wraiths? Would he have spent half his life willingly doing this? They say they want the Paravians to return, but in recent volumes they say only to want to restore the fellowship, or is it a given that they want the missing races to return? What of the fifth floor of Althain tower? Is the mystery weapon there? And why does Sethvir have a volume on Celestial Mechanics out on his desk in his library?

Is there a relationship between the Mistwraith and Necromancy?

There are the 17 grimwards, and the sleeping dragons. Will they dream a new world?

Davien probably has more foolish plans.

There's the East Gate. What lies past it? Who will go there? Townspeople who can't take the heightened energy needed for the Paravians to flourish?

And the Mistwraith at Rockfell tower. Everyone says both brothers are needed but why is Elaira referred to as the healer, bringer of light

And there is Arithon and Elaira. To what extent will they work together to meet the challenges of the Biedar? Will they live happily ever after? In Janny's previous work, Cycle of Fire and To Ride Hell's Chasm, there are happy endings (Taen and Jaric, Mikkael and Elannia) though it takes place off screen.

Looking forward to the final Arc and any and all short stories!

   By Neil on Saturday, March 30, 2019 - 06:53 am: Edit Post

I had a question about Drakes. There seems little that they cannot do in terms of just remaking reality around themselves...

So why were the Fellowship considered by drakes (and the F7 themselves if I understand the binding / destiny thing) to be the masters of destruction?

- Is it that drakes at that point had just come to limit themselves somewhat to avoid their own downfall? (there was a power without wisdom quote in COTM I think)

- Is it that drakes are limited in terms of what they could gather as resources to destroy things c.f. for a planet the F7 had the science to be even more destructive on a scale unimagined by drakes?

- Is it that drakes sleep and are therefore vulnerable during this time...do the F7 sleep post-binding? Drakespawn were dangerous simply because of numbers? And the planet was (and still is?) in a bit of a mess due to grimwards / drake damage? How the necromancers got a hold of the unborn drake-skulls I still wonder...

   By Annette on Friday, April 05, 2019 - 09:15 am: Edit Post

The necromancers never had the unborn drake skulls far as I remember, the Koriani had them, then they they somehow passed into the possession of Sulfin Evend's family, then Raiett Raven gave them to Lysaer, who kept them locked up. Necromancers did not seem to ever have use of them. The jewels were mentioned as being koriani, so presumably they were responsible for the death of the unborn baby dragons. Was it mentioned any where else that the necromancers had the skulls first?

I would go for the dragons being plain outnumbered by their creations. Perhaps they can make life, but not unmake it with their dreaming?

   By Janny Wurts on Tuesday, April 16, 2019 - 08:36 pm: Edit Post

HAHAHA - :X - there is so much coming!! Authorial duct tape is in force on this subject....

Here is a little tidbit (teaser) that will play forward (did you see it coming?) in Song of the Mysteries: Not all the Drakes agreed when it came to summoning the Fellowship/and the Conclave treaty that entails preserving the Paravians....some are still not on board...

   By Neil on Friday, April 26, 2019 - 02:32 am: Edit Post


Annette - have you read black bargain?

re: drakes I now wonder whether they just get tired...and as you said numbers play out if faced with rapid breeding highly numerous drakespawn...

Perhaps drakes do not have the sub-atomic physics understanding that F7 have?

I think the elements are mentioned somewhere as not liking drakes (presumably drakes are - or have been in the past - just too unstable generally/temporarily/occasionally in the way they go about things)

Seshkrozchiel seems to be on the F7 side (and one of the drakes that dreamed? Asandir calls her friend. She refers to Davien and F7 as "ours"). I think there is a scene where she values what paravians are?

All the races have limits...mankind has limits of perception, paravians cannot hold false hope/ survive without the higher resonance electro-magnetics, drakes just have anger management problems?

The paravians did not want the F7 to know where they were (so do they not trust F7 or Sethvir at least? Sethvir has a scar from necromancy...the remaining cults have lasted this long...so they also have enough power/positional power to not have been destroyed)

   By Annette on Friday, April 26, 2019 - 08:27 pm: Edit Post

Well the F7 had to let in the good with the bad, when humanity was allowed to settle on Athera. I do not think it was ever their intention to wipe out necromancy. They knew it existed, but only in it's worse forms did they intervene.

The drakes created without love, I think that was the limitation that had their creations go so wrong.

And yes I have read all the side stories, including Black Bargain

   By Annette on Saturday, April 27, 2019 - 12:21 am: Edit Post

One thing I have wondered about, none of the damage the drakes did to Athera seems to have been healed, at least till Initiate's Trial. If the Paravians's were such paragons of healing, why is it they could not heal the damage done to the land? Perhaps something is still lacking? The resonance not high enough, there is an imbalance or still something missing?

Perhaps in some way it is similar to the problem of why Selidie's burnt hands could not be healed, spirit not matching the physical template? Just a thought.

It took both a dragon and a sorcerer to start life off on the most scarred land mass. If a dragon can recreate what was in the original location of a grimward, why can one not redream Kathtairr back to what it was like before it was destroyed? Rather than start from scratch with just one lone seedling?

   By Melanie Trumbull on Saturday, April 27, 2019 - 01:36 pm: Edit Post

Neil, what you remember about
the Elementals versus the dragons,
comes from Grand Conspiracy, chapter Eight, "Strands"
with the convocation at the ruins of Earle.

In the paperback edition it is page 261.

"...an enmity that reached forward and back,
unto the dawning of time."

   By Neil on Wednesday, May 22, 2019 - 10:29 am: Edit Post

Some random questions...

Hate Wraiths: they are "extinct" but also mentioned as being imprisoned in Rockfell...are they still there? (If so, there is no record in Verrain's library (in Ships of Merior)...Sethvir says "no. they wouldn't" and changes the subject?

When mankind originally approached Athera presumably they had the means to land...were some less keen to move on once they found Athera...and chose to stay? Others not? Davien would have given them supplies and encouraged them to move on? What was in it for the paravians? Did the F7 persuade them? How? Out of pity? Seems risky when said mankind can threaten your planet albeit F& have to act before then....what if the F7 can be stopped? (Did the paravians already strike a deal with Biedar that encouraged them to allow mankind to settle too)?

Do the paravians trust the F7? (seems not entirely?)

Do the paravians approve of the drake binding of F7? Presumably this is something a paravian would not do...but then drakes do not ask permission, no?

   By Melanie Trumbull on Monday, May 27, 2019 - 01:25 pm: Edit Post

Neil, about the Biedar:
reference Initiate's Trial,
and a conversation early on
between Elaira, in the mountains,
and discorporate sorcerer Kharadmon.

The Biedar - Paravian agreement comes up
in the context of
the Biedar versus the Koriathain.

The distinction between
Hate Wraiths and Mistwraiths escapes me,
so I can't comment there.

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